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A Message to the Stubborn
kweli:
Thanks for that Joe. Those who have ears should hear (please??? Let's rather encourage each other)
Craig:
Joe,
Great points. Members pay attention to what Joe says. The forum is like a cassette tape on a loop. The same circumstances happen over and over. Sort of like a country music song, man buys truck, dog dies, woman cheats, woman takes everything, man wrecks truck ;D On the forum the names change and the order changes but we always end back at the beginning over and over. The forum has shown me alot about human behavior as I'm sure most of you old timers would agree.
But as the forum matures I see the members here mature also and discernment becoming stronger in some. This is a blessing to witness. We should be patient with new members as we all were new one time or the other. Be good leaders, not good herders.
We all fall into the trap as Joe mentioned, the "beast within" is strong, and that is the fight we all must strive to overcome.
Blessings
Craig
kweli:
I didnt want to go too deep but I feel I must. As much as Joe and Craig have said a mouthful and they are both on point, I have something to say for someone (hopefully). I'm a new member. And more so a new 'believer' (just under 2 years). So this may just be my folly. Anyway here goes:
WE (newbies, new believers, just learning to eat meat) ought to be careful of not emulating the very nature we despise; that being the nature of the Pharisees. They knew Scripture. They had e-swords and Concordances of their time. They quoted Scripture like nobody. They even attached Jesus in many occasions with Scripture. But what I noticed from the Scriptures is that Jesus responded to them, not with Scripture (Law, letter), but with the application of Scripture (Spirit). Read from all those who witness about Jesus.
I believe we are (at least trying to be) members of the Living Church of Christ. Since Christ is the Head of this Church, we ought to try to follow Him in His ways. According to Him, it is more important for us in the New Covenant to know the application of Scripture. I noticed that Paul also quoted Scripture for the application (line upon line, precept upon precept, because the sum of the Word is truth).
So let us not be like the Pharisees who are walking concordances but fail to submit to the Law that is most important. If we love ourselves enough that we wouldnt want to be condemned then let's not condemn etc etc. Only then can we even come to claim that we are indeed grateful of the knowledge and understanding of Truth (if im not mistaken that's the purpose of the BT forum).
Like Ray would say, I speak as a fool.
Little Joe:
Hello Everybody,
Here is my honest take on all of this.
When I signed up for this forum, I agreed to abide by certain rules. Maybe there are some of the rules I have a little trouble agreeing with on principal (being the rebel that I am ;)), but I did agree to abide by them. It is not my forum, so I respect the rules. This is just plain being honorable.
With that being said, the things about Ray's teaching I disagree with, even after hours of reading his stuff (which i have done, not casually at all), I prefer to keep to myself as far as this forum goes and pursue by some other avenue. It is not my job to "straighten anybody out", as some may have tried to do. That is the work of the Holy Spirit of God to do, IMHO.
Peace to all,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Little Joe on April 05, 2008, 09:15:35 AM ---
When I signed up for this forum, I agreed to abide by certain rules. Maybe there are some of the rules I have a little trouble agreeing with on principal (being the rebel that I am ;)), but I did agree to abide by them. It is not my forum, so I respect the rules. This is just plain being honorable.
--- End quote ---
Hi Joe,
Actually this is all we (as moderators) ask, your take on this is both an honorable and mature approach. Ray does not say or think or believe he has a corner on the market of spiritual truth but he does have plenty of scriptural authority or witnesses if you prefer to back up the articles he has written and that is the reason this Forum was established, primarily to discuss the articles.
--- Quote from: Little Joe on April 05, 2008, 09:15:35 AM ---
With that being said, the things about Ray's teaching I disagree with, even after hours of reading his stuff (which i have done, not casually at all), I prefer to keep to myself as far as this forum goes and pursue by some other avenue.
--- End quote ---
If you are seeking clarification or even justification for what Ray is teaching perhaps you could email him with your question/observation/disagreement, you don't have to use your name but it might help if you mention in the subject line that you are a member of the Forum, it could expedite a quick(er) response.
Thank you for you honest and thoughtful post.
Peace,
Joe
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