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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Mark J. ---OK. So now we're saying there IS INDEED burning in Hell and therefore it logically follows that not everyone will be saved.
I've misunderstood what Ray was saying then. Because he was really pushing the line that Christ was the saviour of the whole world, but if there are people burning in Hell, I guess that doesn't happen. Where is the salvation for them?
Can someone please give me something definitive on this that I can wrap my head around?
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Mark, sorry you were offended but all I can see here is a response to the the statements you posted above.
People who have read Ray's material, even a little of it know there is no such statement from him concerning anyone "burning in hell" the Lake of Fire? Yes. Spiritual Fire. Yes.
Please take these posts in the spirit they are given, and again if my post offended you, I apologize.
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Hello Mark,
As Bobby said it is apparent you have not read through the "Lake of Fire" series. I would suggest you study it as it should clear up the question you posed.
There is no hint in scripture (or Ray's papers) that the guilty will get off "scot free" the spiritual fire that is the Spirit of God will purge those in the 2nd resurrection of their carnal desires, it will refine them and burn away the wickedness in their heart. I do not believe they will consider it a walk in the park.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
This "fire" is not the fire of a ficticious hell, but the chastising (by God) of the unrepentant heart.
Joe
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Mark,
Were these scriptural quotes of no use? I can supply more if you like.
I know that Ray's papers are lengthy but please take your time in reading them with your bible close by, there is no hurry, just take your time and if you have questions "fire" away!
Welcome to the Forum Brother,
Joe
eutychus:
mark,
another tid bit i find interesting is brimstone is a cleaning agent :wink:
and does not fire purify?
peace
chuckt
Mark J.:
eutychus.
My sincerest apologies to you. I totally misinterpreted what you said before.
--- Quote ---As Bobby said it is apparent you have not read through the "Lake of Fire" series. I would suggest you study it as it should clear up the question you posed.
There is no hint in scripture (or Ray's papers) that the guilty will get off "scot free" the spiritual fire that is the Spirit of God will purge those in the 2nd resurrection of their carnal desires, it will refine them and burn away the wickedness in their heart. I do not believe they will consider it a walk in the park.
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I didn't mean in anyway to imply that I thought the guilty got off scot free. I just wanted to fully understand what happens to them, and you have answered it in a way I can understand. Thank you.
And just to reiterate, I am in the process of reading Rays papers. I just didn't think that asking a question while doing so would cause this much fuss. I will also continue to read Rays papers and save my questions till the end.
eutychus:
--- Quote from: Mark J. ---eutychus.
My sincerest apologies to you. I totally misinterpreted what you said before.
--- Quote ---As Bobby said it is apparent you have not read through the "Lake of Fire" series. I would suggest you study it as it should clear up the question you posed.
There is no hint in scripture (or Ray's papers) that the guilty will get off "scot free" the spiritual fire that is the Spirit of God will purge those in the 2nd resurrection of their carnal desires, it will refine them and burn away the wickedness in their heart. I do not believe they will consider it a walk in the park.
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I didn't mean in anyway to imply that I thought the guilty got off scot free. I just wanted to fully understand what happens to them, and you have answered it in a way I can understand. Thank you.
And just to reiterate, I am in the process of reading Rays papers. I just didn't think that asking a question while doing so would cause this much fuss. I will also continue to read Rays papers and save my questions till the end.
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Love and Grace to you brother. :P
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.
euty/chuck
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