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hillsbororiver:
Hello Mark,
As Bobby said it is apparent you have not read through the "Lake of Fire" series. I would suggest you study it as it should clear up the question you posed.
There is no hint in scripture (or Ray's papers) that the guilty will get off "scot free" the spiritual fire that is the Spirit of God will purge those in the 2nd resurrection of their carnal desires, it will refine them and burn away the wickedness in their heart. I do not believe they will consider it a walk in the park.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
This "fire" is not the fire of a ficticious hell, but the chastising (by God) of the unrepentant heart.
Joe
SteveB:
--- Quote ---OK. So now we're saying there IS INDEED burning in Hell and therefore it logically follows that not everyone will be saved.
I've misunderstood what Ray was saying then. Because he was really pushing the line that Christ was the saviour of the whole world, but if there are people burning in Hell, I guess that doesn't happen. Where is the salvation for them?
Can someone please give me something definitive on this that I can wrap my head around?
--- End quote ---
INDEED NOT, Mark! Hell(hades, gehenna, tartarus, sheol) are all SPIRITUAL WORDS NOT LITERAL FIRE.
Those who have never heard just like everyone pre-pentacost will be in the second resurection. And WILL GO THROUGH THE 'LAKE OF FIRE'. To be cleansed of impurity but they WILL BE SAVED YET SO AS BY (SPIRITUAL) FIRE.
They will be beaten with few stripes but the 'christians' who believe in ET will be beaten with MANY STRIPES. (not literal beatings either)
The fire is the WORD of God and i burns, let me tell ya.
GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL, AND I CANT WAIT! :D
Falconn003:
MARK
Go read !!!.....the articles BY Ray and Mike, whom both worked so hard on for your benefit !!!
And you will grasp a clearer answers to all your questions.
Rodger
Mark J.:
Woah, woah, woah!!!!
Hold it!
The post I replied to was NOT bobby's. It was the one above that looks like it's since been deleted as it's not there anymore. I'd say it was deleted because it was from someone who doesn't share the beliefs of this group. So there's no need for anyone to get on the back foot here. it's a continuity problem with the thread, nothing more.
Peace!!!!!
Let's not get hot and bothered about it.
I AM currently reading the series, this is why I asked the original question in the first place. I wanted to be sure I was understanding it correctly. Nothing more.
If none of you want to, or can't help me understand it, well I can't say I'm not disappointed, but ok, I accept that.
Wow..tough room.
eutychus:
--- Quote from: Mark J. ---Woah, woah, woah!!!!
Hold it!
The post I replied to was NOT bobby's. It was the one above that looks like it's since been deleted as it's not there anymore. I'd say it was deleted because it was from someone who doesn't share the beliefs of this group. So there's no need for anyone to get on the back foot here. it's a continuity problem with the thread, nothing more.
Peace!!!!!
Let's not get hot and bothered about it.
I AM currently reading the series, this is why I asked the original question in the first place. I wanted to be sure I was understanding it correctly. Nothing more.
If none of you want to, or can't help me understand it, well I can't say I'm not disappointed, but ok, I accept that.
Wow..tough room.
--- End quote ---
i deleted because it weas read right over!
i qouted:
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
does thi9s speak of hell? NO
when you where a kid and you got caught remember the heat and readness that came over your face???
multiply that ,,,,,, hmmm go figure?
and unbeleiver one who denied Christ would he not be tortured
in the presence of the one he denied??
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