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Worlds most prominant atheist stumped.
phazel:
--- Quote from: Sorin on April 14, 2008, 04:09:15 PM --- Thus they view 'God believers' as irrational and delusional, and it's all due to their belief in "God". They want a world in which people believe only in things that are proven, and rational.
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By and large most athiests are fearful of fundamentalist christians who say athiests are evil and want Gods wrath to come down upon them and would be happy to see God torture and destroy some unrepentant atheist that didn;t listen to them.
Most forums I have been in when a faith in God does not point the finger at them to repent or burn in hell forever they don't have much to say in hatred. there still are some, I am sure, but not the majority.
Universalists / no free will christians are not trying to push bad science into the classroom, the fundamentalists are.
It really is Christian theology and angendas that Atheists are against when it comes right down to it.
musicman:
I started reading Dawkins' "The God Delusion". Let me first state, that I agree with about 90% of what the man says. The only things that I don't agree with are that there is no God and that evolution is a theory backed up by strong, unquestionable evidence. People like Dawkins are doing God's people a service. They are showing little bits of evidence, and proving their God (maybe Satan) given blindness by emphatically claiming that it removes a need for a designer. It is a miracle that people of such intellect can't see the giant holes in their theory while I can.
But as far as Dawkins, I agree with him about the irrationality of most religious people. I agree with him, that one (out of fear of some hell) can attend church every Sunday, swear belief on a stack of bibles, do whatever rituals the church members suggest, and that person may still not believe in God. He all but proves that people have to be called to belief. Neither Dawkins nor I understand why Muslims get so upset when somebody insults their beliefs by making an image of Mohamed. The point is, is that there are smart and dumb theists as well as atheists. What makes one a staunch believer in one or the other?
And as far as evolution, I think it's a big mistake to keep it's teaching away from children. How are people going to defend their faith when they really don't understand evolution? They can call me ignorant if they like. But I can at least tell people what problems I see in the hypothesis of evolution. Afterall, I know what evolution is. I also realize that the cosmic origins have nothing to do with the hypothesis of evolution. Many of the evolution believers don't realize this.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: phazel on April 14, 2008, 05:35:34 PM ---
By and large most athiests are fearful of fundamentalist christians who say athiests are evil and want Gods wrath to come down upon them and would be happy to see God torture and destroy some unrepentant atheist that didn;t listen to them.
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Isn't it interesting that James and John before they were converted behaved in a manner very similar to what the fundamentalists (and others) tend to say (or privately hope) about those who do not share their beliefs?
Luk 9:51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he steadfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
Luk 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
Luk 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Peace,
Joe
Kent:
Amen! Thank you. 8)
mrl1970:
--- Quote from: musicman on April 14, 2008, 06:10:26 PM ---
And as far as evolution, I think it's a big mistake to keep it's teaching away from children. How are people going to defend their faith when they really don't understand evolution? They can call me ignorant if they like. But I can at least tell people what problems I see in the hypothesis of evolution. Afterall, I know what evolution is. I also realize that the cosmic origins have nothing to do with the hypothesis of evolution. Many of the evolution believers don't realize this.
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The problem is that in schools they do not teach evolution as a theory they teach it as if it is fact.
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