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Near Death Experiences
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: carol v on May 30, 2008, 11:56:20 AM ---Just to clear things up since this is causing confusion on this thread and in pm's with people wanting to teach me the error of my ways...
I did not say that we are to worship Satan, be thankful to Satan, seek out Satan, love Satan, prize Satan, consider Satan as equal to Christ, etc. etc. etc.
I simply believe that God created Satan as a tool and that God's creation and God's methods have value. Having value does not mean that I long for it, love it, seek it out, want it, prize it above Christ.
I simply place value on all God's methods and tools which HE uses to bring us into His image. To you it may be a "necessary" tool but to me it is a "valuable" tool -- I think it's the symantics of the words.
If you've ever heard the phrase "a valuable lesson" than that is what I value about Satan -- he is a tool of God that has been used to give me many valuable lessons. God has had to hit me over the head with His hammer many many times and without those hits I would not be where I am today. Without that hammer I would not have learned the damage of lies, the pain of betrayal, the hurt of viscious gossip, the ... well, surely you can see my meaning. These lessons have value. Tools with value can be called valuable. It does not mean they are diamonds, rubies, crude oil or above Christ.
We thank God because Satan is just God's hammer and that is ALL I ever said from the beginning of this whole thing. I value all of God's methods to bring us all into His image. Okay? Okay. If you don't like the word "value" then please pick another.
I sincerely apologize for any confusion and comments I've made in this thread or in pm's in response to this thread. It's just my opinion of God's sovereignty, methods and scripture. Things can quickly get out of hand in this forum and again, I apologize for any misunderstandings.
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I understand your point as well Carol...like you said, there may have been some confusion with the others because of the use of the word 'valuable'. Thank you for the further explanation
Marques
cjwood:
--- Quote from: Roy Monis UK on May 20, 2008, 02:11:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sozo on May 20, 2008, 08:31:59 AM ---Does anyone have any thoughts on near death experiences? I know this is a very generalized question, but I'm just wondering if anyone has done any research on this specifically. Has Ray written anything on this topic?
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Hi! Sozo
I haven't long to go now, but when I do go I want to go properly. If perchance while in the process of my going with my happy thoughts of the rewards awaiting me some idiot were to interrupt my happy departure by resuscitating me - near death experience- then, not being properly dead I'd retain those beautiful thoughts in my fading memory and be able to recall all my experiences in heaven for the admiration of all the dancing, singing and sensation seeking clowns waiting to hear all about it and make money out of it. Hallelujah! Amen!
God bless.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy "The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1Jn.4:8
oi roy,
i love the sound of that. i noticed you were from lancashire. i've heard of that from my husband. he grew up outside of london. do you enjoy the "beautiful game" of football? i support the gunners, arsenal. i grew up watching american football, but when i really started watching the english premiership football games i became an instant fan. anyway, i know this has nothing to do with this particular post, but i just wanted to drop you a note. but then again, in regards to "near death" experiences and such, i've had 2. the 1st time you might say i saw a white lite at the end of a tunnel, but it was in actuality the bright lites of the intensive care dept in the hospital. so much for my near death experience. i agree totally that it is a dream state experience, as i experienced that in and out myself. but as for 90 mins in heaven and then being resusitated, well i don't know about that.
cheers roy,
oi
claudia
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Akira329:
I gave this topic some time in meditation and I can clearly see what you meant Carol!!
I'm sorry if anything I said caused you to feel anything other than loving.
I was just seeking understanding and I completely get it!!!
God wouldn't have made Satan if he didn't think he had any value to his plan a purpose.
And I realize the verse I quoted about Paul clearly shows the value of Satan.
I also realize this is one of the reasons why Rays papers are so long!!! People take one sentence or phrase
and run around town spreading it without any understanding!!
Thanks Carol for you insight!!
Antaiwan
Roy Monis:
Hi! Claudia
Yes I am in a little town in Lancashire called Ashton-Under-Lyne and we love that beautiful game of football called "Soccer" only don't mention gunners and Arsenal round here or you're not going to be liked. Have you not followed the latest events? Well we are the "Champions" and the we stands for Manchester United. I personally hate the beastly game, it attracts too much of the hooligan element.
Anyway nice meeting you, where abouts are you and your husband now? Sounds as though you have moved out of the London area.
What was that you said about resuscitation after 90 minutes, if someone comes out of that then they must belong to the walking, talking dead, very dead.
How long have you and your husband been out of Babylon? You've done the right thing that's for sure. Benny Hinn has just received a thunderous applause for telling a load of lies and robbing them.
God bless you brother and sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Dawidos:
Before my conversion I got interested in NDE with great passion :) We should remember we believe all comes from God and because some people experience "near-death" and some not, it should be some kind clue for us. Most of NDE are very positive and very similiar. I have even read a scientific research on this subject entitled "NDEs and Universal Salvation" by Dr. Ken Vincent, which showed that christian universalists might be right :) ;) Anyway, I was wondering - if God operates beyond the physical time and space, is it possible that He gives near-death experiencers a glimpse in the future? His future kingdom after resurrection, judgementand salvation - in short words the end of his mighty plan. What do you think??
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