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called and chosen
Laren:
Need a little help with these scriptures if you guys/gals could. This is partly why I posted this thread.
Is the body of Christ, all mankind, (or at least the called), or is it only the chosen and faithful who as "Christ (Jesus and his chosen and faithful) will save all mankind in ages to come??
It appears his body is all mankind or the called, due to the "many members". (many called and few chosen)
(Rom 12:4) for as in one body we have many members, and all the members have not the same office,
(Rom 12:5) so we, the many, one body are in Christ, and members each one of one another.
(Rom 6:3) are ye ignorant that we, as many as were baptized to Christ Jesus, to his death were baptized?
Arent the chosen/faithful the ones baptized into his death (daily dying) (the remaining will be in LOF).
(Rom 8:14) for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God;
(Rom 8:29) because whom He did foreknow, He also did fore-appoint, conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be first-born among many brethren;
Rom 8:30 And, whom he fore-appointed, the same, he also called, and, whom he called, the same, he also declared righteous, and, whom he declared righteous, the same, he also made glorious:-
Would appreciate any thots. Thanks.
orion77:
Act 10:41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
The chosen are the ones, foreknown and chose by God who eat and drink with Jesus, not in death, but His life. Jesus came not to condemn, but to save. The called are the ones who know Jesus in death and condemnation. The chosen are also witnesses, for we have His spirit in us.
We can open our eyes and look around and see this is true, right now, and so it has always been this way. What does the most, the majority teach, preach and believe? What does the few, teach, preach and believe? The chosen are faithful witnesses, for by faith from God, we no longer see Him after the flesh, but in Spirit and power. Many will say the same things, yet they constantly condemn and deny the power of Christ.
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you
(Luk 22:21) But behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
This Spirit of truth leads us to living waters, the straight and narrow path that few travel.
The carnal mind of Judas attempted to deny and betray the plan of God. This same idealogy is going on even today. They deny that God will and can save all, they deny the soverignity of God. They have not allowed God His rightful throne, hence they cannot see, but with carnal thoughts they worship Him in vain, not knowing Him in His life.
This is the way I see it, hope it helps.
God bless,
Gary
lilitalienboi16:
No such thing as free will lightseeker.
Man called Few chosen, Many Called, Christian Church - Those who know Christ and Him Crucified, The Chosen - The Elect - The Overcomers, are those who Know Christ and ARE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM. THey live in His ressurection.
I think that about covers it in lamence terms, lol.
God willing thats accurate offcourse :)
Laren:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 ---
Man called Few chosen, Many Called, Christian Church - Those who know Christ and Him Crucified, The Chosen - The Elect - The Overcomers, are those who Know Christ and ARE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM. THey live in His ressurection.
--- End quote ---
(Rom 6:3) are ye ignorant that we, as many as were baptized to Christ Jesus, to his death were baptized?
This is again what I am struggling with, few chosen, crucified with him; yet this verse says many baptized into his death. (partaking of his death).
I agree with Gary, it is Him living his life through us,. But the only way to LIFE is to partake of his cup/death.
Many are part of the body of Christ. If the Christ (Him and the body, overcomers) are to save the world in coming ages; then few chosen and many again don't click.
Would appreciate any help on these verses (see previous post of mine). thanks.
ertsky:
Laren romans 6:3 in an interlinear doesn't support what you are saying there
Rom 6:3 η 2228[OR] αγνοειτε 50(5719)[ARE YE IGNORANT] οτι 3754[THAT] οσοι 3745[AS MANY AS] εβαπτισθημεν 907(5681)[WE WERE BAPTIZED] εις 1519[UNTO] χριστον 5547[CHRIST] ιησουν 2424[JESUS] εις 1519 τον 3588[UNTO] θανατον 2288[HIS] αυτου 846[DEATH] εβαπτισθημεν 907(5681)[WE WERE BAPTIZED?]
the english "as many as" is from
G3745
ὅσος
hosos
Thayer Definition:
1) as great as, as far as, how much, how many, whoever
Part of Speech: pronoun
different entirely from many in "many called" which is
G4183
πολύς / πολλός
polus / polos
Thayer Definition:
1) many, much, large
Part of Speech: adjective
you say many baptised into His death ?
no way!
i cant even get myself to willingly stay under i have to learn obedience by the things i suffer
Laren even Jesus said
Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
what says other verses
1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Paul's experience for our admonition
2Ti 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
i am shocked really that anyone would suggest that many are called chosen and faithful.
many are called few are chosen
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
out of the mass of humanity comes the called out of the called comes the chosen who must endure to the end letting Christ remain faithful in them, presenting their bodies a living sacrifice.
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