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called and chosen
Laren:
--- Quote from: ertsky ---Laren romans 6:3 in an interlinear doesn't support what you are saying there
Rom 6:3 η 2228[OR] αγνοειτε 50(5719)[ARE YE IGNORANT] οτι 3754[THAT] οσοι 3745[AS MANY AS] εβαπτισθημεν 907(5681)[WE WERE BAPTIZED] εις 1519[UNTO] χριστον 5547[CHRIST] ιησουν 2424[JESUS] εις 1519 τον 3588[UNTO] θανατον 2288[HIS] αυτου 846[DEATH] εβαπτισθημεν 907(5681)[WE WERE BAPTIZED?]
the english "as many as" is from
G3745
ὅσος
hosos
Thayer Definition:
1) as great as, as far as, how much, how many, whoever
Part of Speech: pronoun
different entirely from many in "many called" which is
G4183
πολύς / πολλός
polus / polos
Thayer Definition:
1) many, much, large
Part of Speech: adjective
you say many baptised into His death ?
no way!
i cant even get myself to willingly stay under i have to learn obedience by the things i suffer
Laren even Jesus said
Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
what says other verses
1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Paul's experience for our admonition
2Ti 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
i am shocked really that anyone would suggest that many are called chosen and faithful.
many are called few are chosen
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
out of the mass of humanity comes the called out of the called comes the chosen who must endure to the end letting Christ remain faithful in them, presenting their bodies a living sacrifice.
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Thank you frank, that is helpful and makes better sense. What about the many in the body of Christ? any thots on that? thanks.
orion77:
Further down in Romans, chapter 11, we are shown the purpose of the called and chosen.
Rom 11:30
For even as you' once were stubborn toward *God, yet now were shown mercy at their *stubbornness,
Rom 11:31
thus these also are now stubborn to this *mercy of yours, that now they' also may be shown |mercy.
Rom 11:32
For *God locks up *all together intoin stubbornness, that He should be |merciful to *all.
The clv uses the word stubborn instead of unbelief, showing he is talking about believers. The Israelites were believers, albeit stubborn. Likewise in each of our lives, we were at one time stubborn. It works all in all, to show us His mercy.
God bless,
Gary
ertsky:
the body of Christ again is few
my body has many members (hands eyes feet ears etc etc) but the beast has seven heads and ten horns LOL! (i know i know bad joke)
i think you mean this verse?
Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
yes many members in the body of Christ not "the many"
but we can't have an interpretation of a verse that contradicts Christ
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
how many of josephs brothers ever loved Him more than their own lives
how many made it into the promised land, many? or few? joshua caleb the kids?
2Co 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Laren again i'm a little shocked that anyone would suggest there are many in the first resurrection, from Genesis to Revelation MANY ARE CALLED FEW ARE CHOSEN
how many in the ark, FEW
how many came out of sodom and gomorrah, FEW
Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
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Laren:
--- Quote from: ertsky ---the body of Christ again is few
Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
yes many members in the body of Christ not "the many"
--- End quote ---
good scriptures frank, and just because i question scripture certain scriptures doesn't mean i am saying that "many will be in the first resurrection". So please don't interpret it that way. I am just trying to understand verses that seem to contradict. thanks.
orion77:
Knowledge, from being drawn or dragged by God, put through the fire with tests, trials and tribulations is knowledge learned from experience, than just the hearing of the word. With the Spirit and this type of knowledge is what makes us true witnesses.
We can see in our own lives the different way we now see God, than before. Our own stubborness (carnal nature) prevented us from seeing the hidden manna, even though we were believers. We must press forward, yet not forget from where we were, because many of our brethren are still in that state. Yet, the day will come they too will be dragged by God, whether in this life or through the lake of fire.
I cannot see myself any better than the many called, for they are all His, also. If chosen in this world, we also shall be judged, for noone can escape the judgment of God. At times it can seem contradictory why the many called and the few chosen. It's all in Gods plan, yet it is easy to see who is carnal and who is spiritual. The difference between the worldly religious and the spiritually minded is incredible. Hence, the many called and the few chosen.
God bless,
Gary
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