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EKnight:
Ha Roy,  He (my husband) smokes and after I told him he could not (with his free will)  sin for 24hrs, I later told him "by the way smoking is a sin because we are defiling our bodies by smoking".  We (he and I) have not been drinking alcohol so that we stand in solidarity with our oldest son who spent a month in rehab. 

Eileen

Beloved:
I think that winner 08 hit on a key point....it may not be about free will rather that people who support this view do not truly believe in the total sovergnty of God.

Oh they will say they do but here is object evidence that they do not. They want to tell the potter how the pot will function. They cannot surrender all to God...like Annais and Sophia they want to hold this part back.

No wonder God calls them stiffnecked and hard hearted....God has not circumsized their hearts yet....For those whose eyes are open this man made concept of free will is pulverized. For some it is fast and others it chip by chip.

beloved

OBrenda:
Hi Bobby,

I did want to comment on a particular comment by OBrenda... she said:

--- Quote ---Not all choices we make may have an effect on our salvation
--- End quote ---


As I wrote prior to the above statement:
I am not sure about this, maybe someone can shed some light but..

I appreciate you jumping in there!  I am struggling with others here, to get my mind completely around this absolute truth.  I have no resistance to it, and appreciate this forum to be able to be vulnerable in my areas of ignorance in the details!

I think through this thread (thanks for starting it Eileen) the layer of the onion that just got peeled off was when I read scriptures...Where God hardens the heart of Pharaoh, and similar instances, my mind pictures God at that instance taking control of the individual!  But...is it actually?, Pharaoh is making the decision, but his decision was caused by God to happen by many things and circumstances surrounding him?

Did I get this right??? ;D

If not, I'll keep chipping away...don't give up on me! ;)

 

Beloved:
Here is one verse where God after David sins , God actually asks David to choose one of three things.... This is a very unusual thing for God to allow him to participate in choosing.  The word for choose uses is

 H6901  קבל  qâbal  kaw-bal'
A primitive root; to admit, that is, take (literally or figuratively): - choose, (take) hold, receive, (under-) take.

David did not have a choice to change anything. This is a very prophetic verse

In most of the OT when God speaks of a person or nation choosing the following word is used

H977 בּחר  bâchar baw-khar'
A primitive root; properly to try, that is, (by implication) select: - acceptable, appoint, choose (choice), excellent, join, be rather, require.

God is requiring of them .....not asking them for thier opinion.

Even Goliath when he tell Israel to choose a man to fight him  the word choose he uses is

H1254  בּרא   bârâ'  baw-raw' 
A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

Goliath is not asking .....he is telling them to basically sacrifice a man to him

The people who translated the words really put the words of their own idols of heart down on the pages of the Bible. Now the rest of the church is more easily deceived, they do not want to know the truth.

beloved

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