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Hell, Satan's Heaven?
David:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 01, 2008, 10:14:56 PM ---I don't mean to argue, but to run with a point that David made. A majority of Christians might well believe that Hell is full of physical bodies. Many don't, however, arguing that hell is full of tormented souls. Both of these views contradict each other and both would be willing to call the other heretical. Add to this equation Individualistic beliefs, concepts, and visions of Hell--each capable of deeming all others heresy--and you get such a twisted mishmash of contradictions within contradictions that God Himself is the only One smart enough to untangle.
In terms of the 'Hellites' attacking US, how complex a defense we must make if that's our goal! To stand our guard against assaults from dozens or even hundreds of 'official' Hell doctrines joined by Militias of Millions of Unofficial, individualistic combatants and we're sure to get bogged down.
Which of the following propositions is closer to the truth as WE understand it?
1. There used to be a Hell, but now there isn't because the scriptures prove it.
2. The Scriptures teach that there is no Hell.
3. The Scriptures do not teach Hell.
I'm going with #3. They, instead, teach the Gospel and many other wonderful truths.
There are reasons why the Hellites need to hear this truth, without doubt. The rest of the world needs to hear it too. I don't want to make the focus of THE Gospel #2 above.
If I'm not getting it, let me know.
Added next day: This is what has been so powerful about reading Ray's articles. YES, he takes on all comers with boldness. But he also 'replaces' error with truth by teaching truth in the course of dealing with those that contradict.
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Hi Dave, thank you for your input brother.
Yes you are correct, many Christians believe that Hell is a realm full of tortured souls, however most believe that Hell is a physical place/geographic location (and they believe the same about Heaven). So whether they believe people in Hell are in physical conscious boddies, or just there in terms of their soul, the questions and contradictions are still glaringly obvious as you point out. They still have to have eternal life. If they are physical how do they endure the fire without burning up? If they are souls how do they feel physical burning? The whole doctrine doesn't have a leg to stand on in terms of scripture, morally, in terms of common sense, in terms of scientific physical possibilities.
I think you are right to go with number 3, however I would also say that number 2 is also correct. The doctrine of eternal hell and all its sub doctrines that hold it up, as Ray has shown us in his papers, is full of pagan beliefs and myths. The Bible clearly teaches us never to follow these beliefs.
chuckt:
hi all, i got this from a martin zender book i read along time ago, i put it in my own format but just though i should give credit...sorry if its against the rules:
geographical location........................ kjv,niv, nasb
hierousalem..................................jerus alem
kapharnaoum................................caperna um
nazeret........................................naz areth
bethania.......................................bet hany
ephesion...................................... ephesus
bethleem......................................beth lehem
kappodokia....................................capp adocia
damaskos.....................................damas cus
geenna..........................................HELL (((( say what )))
kinda cute.....
chuckt
dave:
I read the email that was sent and I am always impressed by how
"living witness's" of "hell" know so much about a "place"(and who lives there) and that the scriptures give so little information about; and well if National Geographics says.... well..whats left to say.
I firmly believe that the souls who believe the myrhs, fables, and stories told by religious people to keep them in a
controlled "box"...will not be changed unless the witness of a believer is Holy Spirit led.
In other words, if I am not filled and led at the time..all the words, scriptural proof, and debate will not "make em see."
Kent:
Exactly. You said it well, brother! BTDT.
"Hell" hath no fury like trying to how them some things they are missing.
But that does not stop me from planting some seeds for those that read or overhear the conversation.
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: chuckt on July 02, 2008, 06:52:01 AM ---hi all, i got this from a martin zender book i read along time ago, i put it in my own format but just though i should give credit...sorry if its against the rules:
geographical location........................ kjv,niv, nasb
hierousalem..................................jerus alem
kapharnaoum................................caperna um
nazeret........................................naz areth
bethania.......................................bet hany
ephesion...................................... ephesus
bethleem......................................beth lehem
kappodokia....................................capp adocia
damaskos.....................................damas cus
geenna..........................................HELL (((( say what )))
kinda cute.....
chuckt
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Hi! Chuckt
Great stuff, I'll take a note of that. Thanks!
God bless you brother/sister in our joint walk in Christ. ???
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
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