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Kat:
Here is a email that Ray mentions communion and it also has a mention of Martin Luther that I've heard mention a few times.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,251.0.html ------
You know, I have kind of a rule of thumb: If the Church teaches it, it must be wrong.
Martin Luther and John Calvin were two of the most evil and vile heretics that have ever drawn breath on this earth. Disagree with heretic Calvin, and you just might end up being toasted over a low heat fire for maximum pain. Calvin is at the very bottom of the cesspool of humanity--what possible sin could top that?
There is no such thing as a "weekly Lord's day" in the Scriptures. Numerous physical rituals were performed in the early years of the Apostles' ministries until they came to a realization that it is the spirit that matters, not the physical. We are circumcized WITHOUT HANDS in our hear and spirit, and the same goes for communion, baptism, sabbath days, etc., etc., etc.
God be with you,
Ray
Samson:
Hi again, Eileen,
In Kat's Post, she enters Ray's E-mail regarding John Calvin and Martin Luther. John Calvin stood by as Michael Servetus was being slowly roasted to death for not believing in the Trinity, aside from being a Medical Doctor discovering Pulmonary Resusitation Principle, he was Non-Trinitarian in belief. Martin Luther at the very least was a Spiritual compromiser(Augsburg Confession) and proceeded to persecute other Protestant Denominations that didn't agree with his views.
Samson.
digitalwise:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 14, 2008, 09:29:28 PM ---
Here is a email that Ray mentions communion and it also has a mention of Martin Luther that I've heard mention a few times.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,251.0.html ------
You know, I have kind of a rule of thumb: If the Church teaches it, it must be wrong.
Martin Luther and John Calvin were two of the most evil and vile heretics that have ever drawn breath on this earth. Disagree with heretic Calvin, and you just might end up being toasted over a low heat fire for maximum pain. Calvin is at the very bottom of the cesspool of humanity--what possible sin could top that?
There is no such thing as a "weekly Lord's day" in the Scriptures. Numerous physical rituals were performed in the early years of the Apostles' ministries until they came to a realization that it is the spirit that matters, not the physical. We are circumcized WITHOUT HANDS in our hear and spirit, and the same goes for communion, baptism, sabbath days, etc., etc., etc.
God be with you,
Ray
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Whilst I do agree that Luther made many many mistakes, it would be helpful when any of these historical church leadership men are mentioned, a careful critic is done of them. They were only human coming out of the DARK ages of civilization and had many many flaws - just like you and me.
These men carried the light as far as they could in their time. The Lord understands them better then I. They held to the primitive DEVELOPMENT of NON-FREE WILL, UNIVERALISM and CARE for family as opposed to giving to church for blessing, buried men in santified grounds of the church who were not "Christian", established a social system for peasents so they did not starve by Church taxing the poor and stopped disease like black plague in cities through advancing of sanitation systems. Emphasis here is on PRIMITIVE doctrinal development. I'll leave alternative positives concerning these mere men to you doing your own research.
All in all we must NOT follow mere men but learn from their mistakes - as unfortunately history has a bad habit of repeating into our present.
Above all we need wisdom and balance when speaking on such matters of history.
digitalwise
WhoAmI:
I do not attend any church. I find that the more I progress the more religion in all shapes and forms are being detached from inside me.
2 Kings 10:27 Then they broke down the sacred pillar of Baal, and tore down the temple of Baal and made it a refuse dump to this day.
I'm so looking forward to becoming a dump. ;)
digitalwise:
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on July 14, 2008, 11:52:15 PM ---
I do not attend any church. I find that the more I progress the more religion in all shapes and forms are being detached from inside me.
2 Kings 10:27 Then they broke down the sacred pillar of Baal, and tore down the temple of Baal and made it a refuse dump to this day.
I'm so looking forward to becoming a dump. ;)
--- End quote ---
Why a dump? I can see where your coming from but...............
2 Corinthians Chapter 3
16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect[a] the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. :D
a 2 Corinthians 3:18 Or contemplate
digitalwise
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