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OBrenda:
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I don't know what to think either.  I guess it would be helpful if we knew at what point "The End Times" begin?
I bow out on that one, I'm having to unlearn my understanding of these "End Time" scriptures.  I have observed that the morality of our youth is declining, and it is true, it is getting much much worse.  I'm shocked just by the filthy language that even the young Girls spew out of their mouths!  Let alone the even bigger issues.

But then I am also amazed by watching the History Channel, how barbaric people use to be. Slaughtering whole villages even children.  I just can not comprehend this!  Thank God, at this time we don't have to live in a fortress to protect our selves from raiding murdering thieves.  And I won't even start on what the "Church" did to people who didn't believe the same.

Clearly Evil has always been here, and I certainly have been guilty of most of the sins that are listed.
What Kat said makes sense that if there is more people on the planet, more evil doesn't necessarily mean the percentage of evil is greater. So if the percentage of evil t is about the same, I understand your question what was Timothy's purpose in this scripture?
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EKnight:
Craig, I agree--I'm like most of the rest here, I would like to know when, how, and where. But if all these questions were answered right here and now, what would it gain me?

And if Timothy means exactly what it says, then why bother telling us if it is not important?

I truly am not being argumentative here, I'm just wondering.

Personally, I don't care when the end times are.  If I die today, I know God knows how much I am striving to be what he wants.  Therefore, I am not worried.  But if God said it in Timothy, there must be a reason.  No?

Eileen

Dave in Tenn:
Eileen, Ray is sharing that the messages to the Churches in Asia are for ALL the churches and for all of us and for all time.  I think this is true of Timothy's prophecy.

It's not exactly accurate to say that seeing these things has not been of value to each generation since the beginning of the Gospel.  Every one of them has seen these things around them and each has produced those called out.

Do these signs point to the very last days?  I don't know.  There may well have been worse 'generations' and the one following this one may be 'better' than this one.  God will have to do a mighty work to make that happen, but the Roaring 20's in the US and decadence in Western Europe at the same time was reversed to a great degree by the worldwide depression and WWII.  Were morals 'really' better in the 40's?  For fullblown evil there, you had to look elsewhere...the Nazis and Militaristic Japanese, for example.  I think this passage describes the Nazis better than your daughter's friends.  History has some hope, even if man has none outside of Christ.

All I know for sure, is that these are MY last days.  That's all my plate will hold, I'm afraid.  If that's a sin, I'm guilty.

 

 

EKnight:

--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 17, 2008, 08:06:38 PM ---Eileen, Ray is sharing that the messages to the Churches in Asia are for ALL the churches and for all of us and for all time.  I think this is true of Timothy's prophecy.

It's not exactly accurate to say that seeing these things has not been of value to each generation since the beginning of the Gospel.  Every one of them has seen these things around them and each has produced those called out.
--- End quote ---

I clearly see your point Dave.

Eileen



 

 

WhoAmI:

 Craig I have to agree with you on some of those statements you made. There is much said and people hear it and repeat it and many think it is true. But research often proves it wrong and often times the complete opposite of what is being hailed on the news and in public. The news lies and loves hype and they create drama to draw people in. They are big business and they often actually help the "end times" teachings that the churches love to promote and teach. The "end times" that the churches teach is like a brother to the "hell" doctrine, it promotes fear and dependence on them. They have the answers to escape the coming calamities and such. It is big business in book sales and movies etc. 

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