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Timothy
WhoAmI:
The "end times" thinking I have found is nothing but another Babylon mental trap. I had a man just today say to me that he is getting more religious because he thinks the last days are here. ???
Until a person can see that these things are found in themself and not something outside of them only, they will miss it.
Heb 1:2 has in THESE LAST DAYS spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Jeff
David:
I think its refering to every generation since it was written. In the last 2000 years there have been some pretty wicked times on the earth, not least now. Between 1850 and 1945 more people were killed in secular conflicts and regimes than every "religious" war put together in the last 2000 years.
I think these verses refer to us personally, but also to the whole world at any given time in history.
Craig:
--- Quote ---Are people worse or does it just seem this way because there's more people on the earth?
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It seems that way because of 24 hour news (ie CNN) and the internet. A flea farts in China and the whole world knows it.
One evil person in California, reported by the news, and all of us think evil is all around us. Around my region people are scared to let children out of our site. When I grew up we would ride our bikes everywhere and be gone all day and into the evening and our parents wouldn't worry, now if they can't see you for 30 seconds they panic, but a little research in child abductions and disappearances show that it has remained relatively steady in our region for the last 70 years.
Evil is out there, it has always been.
Craig
EKnight:
Okay, so I hear some of you say the "end times" are babylonian and then I hear today is no different that any other time or evil has always existed and always will and then Kat says it's a result of increased population.
Then what exactly is Timothy saying in this scripture?
Personally, I think things are worse. Never before was homosexuality, abortion, living together without the sanctity of marriage and divorce so accepted in this world or at least in this country as it is today. It is much more prevalent in our media, movies and everyday interactions than ever before. Don't take my word for it, ask your parents and your grandparents. They will attest to the morality decline along with the turning away from God. This generation is growing up with these atrocities and therefore accept them.
So again, what dis Timothy saying?
Eileen
Craig:
--- Quote ---So again, what dis Timothy saying?
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I think Timothy is saying just what it says "IN THE LAST DAYS, perilous times shall come"
But the argument could be made as to when are "THE LAST DAYS" ? Could it be now or 1000 years from now, or 10,000 years? We all could give an opinion but we can only look for sure at the 70 years or so we live and maybe add 40-50 years for the elders in our family, and base our opinion on that.
--- Quote ---Personally, I think things are worse.
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Possibly, but I can't say for any certainty.
--- Quote ---Never before was homosexuality, abortion, living together without the sanctity of marriage and divorce so accepted in this world or at least in this country as it is today.
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In this country, I agree. In the time of history after Christ?? I can't make this statement. Renaissance Italy and Europe was full of homosexuality, and all the rest that Timothy speaks of. Do a search on the Borgia family (one was even a Pope) and others from this time period. You will see all the evils Timothy speaks of and then some spread throughout the civilized world.
So, what I'm saying is, we could speculate and try and guess end times and dates for the rest of our lives, but when is the "Last Days" for us? It could be tonight on a drive to to grocery story or tomorrow with a sudden heart attack. If that would happen, where does our thoughts lie? Are we chasing after answers to what tomorrow might hold or are we striving to die to self and rid ourselves of the "Beast Within" now?
I'm like most of the rest here, I would like to know when, how, and where. But if all these questions were answered right here and now, what would it gain me? What would it do to make me less and Christ more? Would it make me more worthy to be elect and be with Christ in the kingdom age? We will all have to answer these questions ourselves, I know I have a long way to go.
Blessings
Craig
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