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Why "Soul" and "Spirit"?
Daniel:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Lightseeker,
Here is more reading for you given in the spirit of honest and sincere dialogue.
Psa 104:29 Thou hidest thy face they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
http://www.*not-allowed*.com/spiritdie.php
http://www.*not-allowed*.com/soultruth.php
Joe
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hillsbororiver,
Thank you so much for posting this, I havent read these yet. I was reading the verses you just posted. The thought came to me, of one breath? I know Paul quoted an Athens poet saying "in Him we live more and have our being" both man and beast have no preeminence over the other. What I was wondering is, isn't the spirit of a man (or beast) different from the Spirit of God in Christ? Like a "second wind" :lol: if you'll allow that pun? I thought that was cute :D
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Then it speaks of us being given the Spirit which is from God, called the mind of Christ right?
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
That means only the spiritual man can receive the things of the spirit of God. Is that here or when we physically die? Is this speaking more of being in the flesh after a spiritual truth then a physical one?
Roman 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
If the Sword of the Spirit is the word of God divides the soul and spirit, which spirit does it cut through? Wouldn't it be our own? We would then be joined to His Spirit, and Gods Spirit in us dies too, am I getting the swing of things here? :lol:
I will go look at those links you provided thank you, these are just what I was looking for :D
Daniel
hillsbororiver:
Daniel, being in the Spirit of Christ makes you a new creation!
The following is from Ray's Lake of Fire Part IX;
TO BE "IN CHRIST" IS SALVATION
What does it mean to be "IN Christ" seeing that ALL IN HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL BE "IN Christ?"
"Therefore if any man be IN Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, ALL things are become new."
How many will be reconciled "IN Christ?"
"To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling THE WORLD unto Himself, NOT IMPUTING THEIR TREPASSES UNTO THEM…" (II Cor. 5:17 & 19).
Of course, how could it be otherwise? Jesus doesn’t make just "some" new creatures from the old, no, He makes "ALL THINGS … NEW." And we all know this verse:
"There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them which are IN Christ Jesus…"
How many will be IN Christ? We read it: "ALL." There is coming the time when there will be no more condemnation IN ANYONE ANYWHERE! Praise God and BELIEVE
http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html
There is much meat in these articles,
Joe
Daniel:
Thank you hillsbororiver, you even made a bit more sense of M_Oliver's thoughts I believe.
One is "the creature" and the other a "new creature".
"The creature" is subject to vanity (or corruption) and the other (new creature) liberated in Christ who is not corruptible? To be clothed in Christ?
spirit of man verses Spirit of God, the natural man cannot receive?
I need more spirit studies
Daniel
gmik:
Hi. I have read this entire thread several times. M. Oliver asks a question. We got off on tangents with babies and then M.Oliver asks again why don't we see it. Here is what I don't see. If Genesis is really meaning "alive breathing" not "living soul" What does that ultimately mean? M. Oliver I don't know the point but would like to know where you are headed. Others of you I don't understand getting upset or personal. I don't want this to get locked before I see what would be the big difference between alive breathing and soul. I am sincere. M. Oliver your first post was happy and your last post seemed exasperated. Shouldn't we leave Strong's alone and go to the interlinear or e sword?
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: M_Oliver ---Not one of you is understanding my point at all. I am truly puzzled as to why I can see this as clear as day while even Ray blows right by it.
Thank you Joe for posting some of Ray's material so I can demonstrate. Do not mistake. I respect Ray greatly. God has used him to show me much. I am not picking a fight with him or anyone here. I am trying to shine some light on this lie.
From "DR. STRONG'S USE OF CONTRADICTIONS AND SQUARE CIRCLES"
QUOTE: "In the Hebrew Scriptures, soul is translated from, H5315 nephesh = neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature"
If "nephesh" PROPERLY MEANS a breathing creature WHERE do you get "SOUL" from? Do not dare tell me to ADD the breath of life + the body to = soul or some other stupid equation unless you can prove it with scripture. I'll tell you right now you cannot unless you 'ADD TO THE BOOK.'
QUOTE: "Say, did you catch that one word Dr. Strong used to define the soul—nephesh?"
Yes I did. If it PROPERLY MEANS a breathing creature WHY is it translated soul? WHY?
QUOTE: "And so, what kind of a "living soul" did Adam become?"
He DIDN'T become a "living soul". He became ALIVE[chay-2416] BREATHING[nephesh-5315] OR He became ALIVE, a BREATHING CREATURE. Either translation is much more accurate than "soul". Soul is not in the Hebrew!
Is that so hard to understand? The Hebrew DOES NOT say that Adam became a "living soul". Am I really the only one here who can see this?
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M, let me paraphrase what you are saying, "soul" has no root in Hebrew or Greek.
Agreed, it's root is Old English "sawol" similar to the Old High Greman "seula"
defined as: an actuating cause of an individual life
No argument.
Joe
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