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What do these 2 verses mean?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on July 22, 2008, 08:21:47 AM ---Hi again Marques,
Hasn't the present "kingdom" been led captive into Babylon?
Haven't the "sheep" been lied to and coerced into believing the false doctrines of 30,000 plus denominations?
Joe
--- End quote ---
You know what Joe, it just dawned on me while I was about to write back Brian what you were truly saying.
From John the Baptist until now (this 'until now' threw me off until I see that 'until now' means when Christ ministry starts in each person's lives individually)
We the kingdom have suffereth violence [being led into Babylon] and the violent [Babylon] taketh by force. That's why 'presseth into' from Luke is spurious because it does not go along with what Christ says in Matt.
OOOOOOHHHHHHHH ;D
So I get it now. Am I looking in the right direction?
Thanks,
Marques
hillsbororiver:
Bingo! ;)
Hi Marques,
Yes, that was my point exactly. We know that the Word speaks to all with eyes to see and ears to hear through the centuries, Jesus could not have been speaking only to those who were alive during those few years between the ministries of John the Baptist and Jesus.
As a matter of fact there was probably no one present there who understood a Word of what He was actually saying at that time!
Peace,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
Hi Marques,
I wanted to get back to that most relevent verse that Kat quoted in her post.
--- Quote from: Kat on July 22, 2008, 08:57:10 AM ---
John 6:15 Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.
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This is what Satan constantly and consistantly does with man, refocuses our eyes from the spiritual to the material, or heavenly to earthly.
Where does the true Kingdom eminate from?
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews:
The people (multitudes) who followed Christ during His ministry wanted a messiah in/of this world, they wanted to be physically healed, once it became clear that Jesus was not going to fulfill their carnal desire of throwing off the chains of Rome they despised Him as shown in His trial with Pilate. The religious leaders of the day, a type/shadow of religious leaders/shepherds throughout the history of Christianity inspired the people against the heavenly King(dom) in exchange for the temporal benefits of an earthly king(dom).
When presented with that ultimate choice what do the people cry out for?
Mark 15
6Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired.
7And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.
8And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had ever done unto them.
9But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
10For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.
11But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.
12And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?
13And they cried out again, Crucify him.
14Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.
15And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified.
I find it very interesting that the people shouted for Barabbas to be released (he was to be crucified as well), a murderer who attempted to lead an insurrection against Rome rather than the Man of Peace, coincidently(?) Barabbas actual name was Jesus bar-Abbas.
Peace,
Joe
mharrell08:
Very interesting...thanks to all for your inputs. And thanks again Joe.
Marques
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