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I am a clean slate
EKnight:
I certainly understand Ray's reasoning and I am not suggesting he change anything, I am just expressing how it effects my quest for understanding. And to be honest, I only came to this revelation (realizing why I was getting confused) today while re-reading LOF IV. I was kind of hoping that maybe there was someone here who was at one time like me and then they would be better able to explain some things to me. Often times I find that answers to my posts also include the presumption that I know things that I really don't. Ugh, I hope I am making sense. It is not usually so difficult for me to put my thoughts into words. ???
Eileen
OBrenda:
--- Quote from: EKnight on July 26, 2008, 07:02:26 PM ---Often times I find that answers to my posts also include the presumption that I know things that I really don't. Ugh, I hope I am making sense. It is not usually so difficult for me to put my thoughts into words. ???
Eileen
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You are explaining yourself very well. It makes complete sense that you are sometimes confussed. Similar to when we first learned together what IMO & IMHO means. ;D
It is important for US to understand that you have a foundation of being Catholic which has some, but not all the false teachings of Other Churches. I'm sure the mods will direct you to anything they think will help.
I think just you alerting us will help allot. You may also be used by God to help others that join with similar backgrounds.
Hang in there, and keep asking the questions till we ALL understand.
Brenda
Dave in Tenn:
Eileen. I understand you as well, and have encountered several articles and parts of articles that do for me what you are describing. (your question is really at the heart of what I posted asking about 'lost people'--so you said it better than I could. LOL)
It helps to remember what OBrenda pointed out--that there are a LOT of contradictions, strife and enmity BETWEEN churches on many of the points Ray raises in exposing them. Not all of us have been exposed to all of them. I have found, though, that Ray is never slow to 'tell the truth' after he has smashed the lies--assuming he hasn't already told it by the time the hammer falls. ;) If it wasn't a lie that I believed, then it is still valuable in the long run for the equipping of the saints.
I personally am still grappling with all the ramifications of the foundational truths, so 'being equipped' with the whole armor is a little much to bear at times when I haven't even got my uniform on straight. ;)
Keep plugging. Take what God means for you to have NOW. I am sure you are not alone.
Dave in Tenn:
One other thought. If Ray made it simple, we'd be tempted to take it on as a creed. He's struggled for uncounted hours--we need to struggle as well.
Samson:
--- Quote from: EKnight on July 26, 2008, 04:54:57 PM ---When reading Ray's papers, I notice that he is not so much teaching as refuting other teachings. This causes problems for me because I don't really have any preconceived notions about most things. In fact, I have not even heard of most of the heretics that he refutes. So when I am reading something and think I am understanding, Ray talks about the teachings of Christendom. I don't want to know that, I only want to know the truth. Is it not possible to learn truths without first knowing the lies? I mean, I don't need to be "deprogrammed". I am a clean slate that needs to start from scratch.
Is there anyone else here that feels this way?
If it sounds as if I am being negative or arrogant, I truly am not. I am just frustrated with being unable to learn because of my lack of prior knowledge. (and I know I have said something like this in other posts, sorry).
For instance, I was reading the LOF part IV and began to understand a little better about the "harvests" that I have heard you all talk about before. I knew nothing about feasts or harvests. I don't even know who Benny Hinn is or Dr. Kennedy or Hagee. I had never heard of them until I came here. I would not be able to find the televangelists on my TV if I tried. I thank God I don't know them and never did and never will.
And also, I have never heard of the Lake of Fire before coming here either. Do Christians think the LOF is Hell?
Can anyone relate? :-[
Eileen
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Hello Eileen,
You mentioned that you don't have preconceived notions about falsehoods(not an exact quote) and don't want to know about Heretical Teachings, but only The Truth. Ray explains this in one of his series; Free Will Myth or maybe 2006 September Conference, but hears the point regarding " Lies " versus Truth. In order to fully appreciate and differentiate between a concept of fact and have understanding, we must know it's opposite. Examples: Good & Evil(Remember the account Genesis regarding the Tree); Hot & Cold; Truth & Falsehood; Light & Darkness; Sickness & Good Health; Tall & Short; Pride & Humility, etc. To fully understand and distinguish these concepts, we need to experience and learn about their opposites. How would you fully appreciate Truth, if you weren't exposed to it's opposite; Lying. Many of us have experienced blatant Religious Hypocrisy, Double standards, half-truths and clear deception. This is part of our training and disipline provided by Our Heavenly Father towards our becoming Spiritually Perfected. If all you ever knew was Truth in all areas of Life, including Religion; when confronted with falsehood, you would, or at least could be fooled by the Father of the Lie(John. chapter 8). The deception is all around us in Politics, Religion, Commerce, etc and it's rank, but it helps us to appreciate Proverbs. 3:5-7, you can look it up, if you like.
Just think of all the concepts and different things that have their opposites and you will find, you wouldn't be able to fully understand them without their opposites.
Hope this helps, Your Brother, Samson.
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