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orion77:
I think it is important we don't forget how God has treated us, with patience, mercy and forgiveness, and to treat our fellow man in the same way. By not paying evil back with evil, but forgiving those who tresspass against us. This is Gods way, and this is what Paul was doing by leading by example.
God bless,
Gary
chrissiela:
Why Asia?? WOW! GOOD QUESTION.... never even thought about that before.... :oops:
Tried to look at it, briefly, and Asia means "muddy, boggy" and the Holy Spirit prevented the gospel from being preached in Asia initially...
Act 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.
Act 16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
Act 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, :shock: [/list:u]
but then it seems that it was opened up to Paul....
Act 19:9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
Act 19:10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
Act 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:[/list:u]
Certianly some things to delve into further :wink:
Interesting to note that this is after Paul said that he would 'from henceforth' take the gospel to the GENTILES..... (the Jews being blasphemous and unreceptive to the gospel).
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Act 18:5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
Act 18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.[/list:u]
and after this:
Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve. :shock: :?: [/list:u]
Chrissie
PS... only skimmed over the chapters - so hope I got the order of things right - as it is late but will look at it some more tomorrow.... maybe someone else will have more to add in the meantime....
Daniel:
Thank you for try Ertsky, theres so much I do not understand, I'll be happy when I do trust me, God is good! Amen! :D
Chrissiela, Thank you so much!!! I thought this was a good question too! I think I will search this out. I see there were churches in certain places and I never this before. The churches (plural) in Asia turned away from Paul. I was wondering why did it not say to the churches everywhere? Why Asia? :?
Acts 20:4 Tychicus was of Asia
2Titus 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
After this a few chapters later Paul says
2Titus 4:12 And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
So He did not defect from Paul, and then I was asking myself why 2Titus 1:15 is worded like that, "of whom" the two its speaking of. I dont know honestly I have to do my homework here don't I ? :lol:
Thank you very much for helping me Chrissiela, what are you seeing in the "after this" section of your post please do share if you can :D
Daniel
chrissiela:
OK... been looking at this this morning (was hoping that someone else might have added something else to it first.... but here goes :roll: )
It appears that Paul made 3 journeys and he did not go into Asia until the last. At first the gospel was being preached in the synagogues to the Jews (though others did hear and were converted).
It wasn't until a while later that Paul and Barnabus were 'separated' (Acts 13:2) for the others for that which THEY were called (to bring the gospel to the Gentiles).
I couldn't find much about the churchs in Asia in the scriptures. Most of them are not even mentioned at all, except in the Book of Revelation when the letters go out to the seven churches. :shock:
But in reading about Ephesus (one of the churches in Asia that IS discussed elsewhere in the scriptures), it appears that perhaps the churches in Asia (or the people and their beliefs) are more representative of the 'world' as a whole, rather than the Jewish nations. :?: :?:
Took note of this:
Act 19:24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;
Act 19:25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.
Act 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Act 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and THE WORLD worshippeth.[/list:u]
Surely these were not Jews who were at least aquainted with the One true God and Father.
Christ came to the Jews (His own people) first and He was rejected.... through their rejection (and casting off) the gospel was brought to the Gentiles - for the salvation of ALL....
So thinking that the 'churches in Asia' represent that which was brought to the Gentiles. :?: :?:
Not even Paul took the gospel to the Gentiles immediately. He taught initially in the synagogues... and he didn't go into Asia until his last journey.
That's what I have so far..... but still looking..... :wink:
Chrissie
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Thank you very much for helping me Chrissiela, what are you seeing in the "after this" section of your post please do share if you can :D
--- End quote ---
HA! I wish I could!! :lol: :lol:
Not really sure.... just popped out at me that Christ had twelve disciples and Paul found twelve disciples in Ephesus (One of the seven churches mentioned in Asia... this one being the most prominent in the scriptures, outside of the book of Revelation).
Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about TWELVE.
Act 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
Act 19:9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
Act 19:10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.[/list:u]
Seems that Paul separated himself and these disciples and for the space of 2 years taught in the school of Tyrannus.... resulting in the gospel being preached to ALL (both Jew and Greek) in Asia.
Just thought it was interesting... :D
Chrissie
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