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Gods laws of health and nutrition - where in Scipture?
Linny:
Alex, I apologize for any offense I may have caused to you. I understand the passion we have for the things we believe in and want to do with our lives.
Once upon a time, I was devoted to the field of Psychology, then to the nursing field and in nursing school. Then I was devoted to the field of public education, moving to private education, and now to home school education. What Brenda said so well, was so true. Life hits us hard as we grow older and learn more and experience more. When we have been harmed by those that we put our trust in, we want to spare others that hurt.
It isn't about individual people but about a system set up by mankind and run by greed. So the people who have great intentions to help and want to help are not the problem. It is no different than any other man-made system that has been corrupted. The church, the educational system, sports, government, you name it.
The world and her ways are the problem.
We need doctors who care and who are open to learning truths and are willing to go against the grain if need be. A BT doctor would, I think, be automatically more open-minded than most other people, don't you think??
Brenda! My poor sweetie had to have 2 knee surgeries in 5 months! No drugs? Please! He didn't stay on them for long (too addictive) but he wouldn't have made it through the first 2 days without them. And neither would I! ::)
Lin
OBrenda:
--- Quote from: Linny on September 03, 2008, 09:37:56 AM ---Brenda,
Tell me if I am wrong but I am wondering if what you posted about the
Epigenetic Therapy is a lot like the following.
I believe that we are born with certain genetic factors that predispose us to certain disease. Some are born with tendencies towards heart disease and others to cancer, etc.
But with environmental factors being different or changed, we can alter what we were born with to some extent. Meaning, if we eat and live exactly as our parents, we will have the same diseases. But if we change our environment from what we eat to how we move and the chemicals we are exposed to, we can alter that.
My babies were fed completely differently than most children and I can see now at age 10 and 7 how that has affected their state of health.
They just don't catch anything. Each gets a 24 hour cold about once or twice a year. It is amazing to see.
Would you say this is what the program you watched was saying?
It sounds very interesting...
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In answer to Linny,
I wish they had the complete program to watch but this gives a good chunk of it....
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3411/02.html
I think it is saying to me....Cause and effect....which we already believe here at BT!
But the effects of our health have many avenues beyond just our choices,
Our Health is effected by generations before us.
And the choices we make will effect our children & granchildren.
And there are things that have effects that are beyond our control.
As You are already doing, we need to the best of our ability, make the best choices...
and leave the rest up to God.
What did you get out of it?
Brenda
Linny:
Thanks Brenda, I'll click on that later and watch it all. But it seems to be what I was thinking.
I had read studies that looked at mice generations fed well vs. fed badly. The poorly fed ones had babies that got sicklier and sicklier with each generation. Then they would start feeding them better and watch each generation improve.
I've read that people in our generation tend to get their parent's diseases about 10-20 years sooner.
That is why I have worked so hard to change my kids diets/environment for the better. I am hoping that they will continue this with their own and we'll turn around some of the nasty diseases my parents deal with now.
Kat:
Hi Brenda and Lin,
I've been reading along and the pass generations certainly have effected what our bodies are prone to have go wrong. But I'm with you Lin in that I'm really beginning to understand that we can make a major difference with our diets/environment.
The illness that Ray is going through and that the diet he is on now has caused me to check into body pH and I see it as extremely important in maintaining good health. If we keep our body within the proper pH range, this wonderful body we have is able to employ it's own disease fighting defences and fight off most anything.
The alkaline forming foods that should be high on our list of consumption are vegetables like asparagus, artichokes, lettuce, onion, peas, spinach, carrots, green beans, and broccoli, to name a few. Fruits include watermelon (one of the highest alkaline forming fruits), lemon (another high one), tomato, avocado, and grapefruit. Other alkaline forming foods are sprouts, legumes, nuts, seeds, herbal tea, and vegetable juice. The key is to go with FRESH foods as much as possible. Drink lots of water it is neutral and flashes the acid out of our system.
But to maintain pH balance, you should eat a minimal amount of acid forming foods. Examples of these foods are meats, poultry, most seafood, sweets, white bread, white pasta, chocolate, coffee, soda, fruit juice, and most oils. A very important thing to understand is that all processed foods are acid forming. You don't have to totally avoid eating these foods, but keep these foods within the 20-25 percent proportion of your diet. These list do seem to vary from one site to the other and how a food is processed can cause it to be more acid forming.
I was totally ignorant to this, before Ray's illness. Now I just feel this is so important to understand. Just making a few changes to your diet can help a great deal. Just thought I would post this for those who might be interested.
mercy, peace and love
Kathy
Samson:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on September 03, 2008, 03:17:09 PM ---I can't believe all this talk about don't listen to this doctor and don't listen to that doctor is still going on. Do you guys know the amount of studying and schooling it takes to become a medical doctor? Your doctor isn't an idiot, and if i was you i would listen to him. Yes their are bad doctors out their, but that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater now does it? Bad apple in every basket, but for the most part, 90% of doctors, if not more, are good doctors who know what they are talking about. They tell you things not because they don't know what their talking about, but because they genuinely believe it is in your best interested and for YOUR health.
Just curiouse, are any of you Medical doctors in here? If so, than by all means please give us your input.
God bless,
Alex
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Hello Alex,
The Discussion of Nutrition and how certain Macronutrients(Proteins, Carbohydrates and Fats) affect ones health and in some cases how these Macronutrients stimulate ones appetite doesn't fully enter the realm of a Medical Doctor. If the Doctors discipline is in Nutrition, like Dr. Atkins and others, they are more educated and equipped to handle these issues. Actually Dr. Atkins was a Cardiologist firstly. I appreciate and respect your hard work and focus towards eventually becoming a Medical Doctor. If my memory serves me correctly, in Dr. Atkins original Low Carb book written in the early 1970's, he mentions the great influence that the Cereal and Food Industry uses to persuade Doctors to malign the eating of eggs and Protein foods in general, especially Proteins that have a high fat content, attempting to prove that eating dietary Cholesterol would cause an increase in their serum Cholesterol and Triglycerides(High Density & Low Density Lipoproteins). The Food Industry in General, especially the Cereal Industry pays handsomely to Nutritionists and some Medical Doctors to do research to support their eating cereal and avoiding foods that contain Dietary Fats and Cholesterol. Cholesterol is technically not even a fat, it's a natural Steroid Hormone as contained in Egg Yolks. Actually Genetics, too much stress, smoking and too much sugar(glucose, fructose, dextrose, corn syrup and any word that ends with ose, foodwise) causes a rise in Cholesterol Levels. Of course regular exercise will help to minimize some of the effects from ones dietary intake.
The Traditional Formula of eating 55-60%(Carbohydrate, mostly complex), 20%(Protein), 20%(Fats) is probably sound from a Nutritious Diet point of view, especially when coming from Natural Sources, however in my Post, I was focusing on how many people with weight problems can't tolerate too many Carbohydrates of any kind, in that THEIR APPETITES ARE OVERLY STIMULATED TO THE POINT, THEY CAN'T CONTROL THEIR HUNGER and it has nothing to do with willpower, because they are overwhelmed by their hunger pangs for food.
From a Biochemical point of view, as Mike Mentzer(he studied Medicine & Nutrition, Premed) has stated and many others, A CALORIE IS A CALORIE, aside from the nutrition health of it. What I mean by that is that if anyone consumes less calories then what the Body needs for energy, repair and growth, they will lose weight, so what happens is that those that can't tolerate too much sugar, when their predominate intake is made of Proteins and Fats, their appetite will decrease, because of the satiating effect that Fats and Proteins have on their appetites and they will consume less total calories causing them to eventually lose weight without so much suffering.
It should be understood that Dr. Atkins isn't recommending that everyone stays at 10 grams of dietary carbohydrates or less for the rest of their lives, only a small percentage of people who have a high intolerance for Carbs of any kind; everyone else should gradually add Carbs until they reach the level where they don't gain or lose weight, for some fortunate people, that's 100 grams daily(mostly the healthy carbs).
None of the above is meant as criticism of Medical Doctors or anyone for that matter, but to emphasize that Politics and money are behind some of these Nutritional persuasions. Undoubtedly, their are emotional and cultural factors influencing ones eating habits.
More than enough said, Kind regards, Samson.
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