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Becky:

--- Quote from: Joey Porter ---I remember a small debate on these boards from a few weeks ago in which people insisted that if someone broke into their home and began brutalizing their family that they would not intervene in even the slightest way because God's will was being done and we are to turn the other cheek.  Is that really what Christ meant when He said "turn the other cheek?"  

Well, I believe that those who are being led by the spirit will understand that is not what was meant.  Would anyone here, after getting knocked down with a broken jaw by being punched on the right side of the face, struggle back to his feet to turn the left cheek to be struck?  Christ gave no exceptions to His command.  If we wanted to follow His command to the letter, we would be sinning if we did not rise to our feet and turn the other cheek to be struck - no matter how difficult.

I am just giving an example of how we can become overly legalistic with NT teachings, something that I unfortunately see creeping up from time to time on these boards.  


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I definately see your point, but you have to remember that it can go both ways.  Ray put it nicely in a paper where if you saw a woman being raped to go help her TO STEP IN ...BUT to not go fight the guy who tried raping the lady to get the death penalty .  If someone were in your home attacking your family, I don't think we should just stand there and say "oh gee, I guess I need to turn the other cheek." no, We'd try to protect them. On the other hand, we can also get carried away (like we have with war) and go fight fight fight cuz we decide that Jesus couldn't have meant to really turn the other cheek.

TO SUM UP:  It should be a balance.

(I don't think anyone in that thread meant they'd "not intervene in the slightest way"... no one said that to my knowledge)

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orion77:
Craig,

Very true analogy, little long, but point well taken.   8)

God bless,

Gary

hillsbororiver:
Craig,

I thoroughly enjoyed that, not boring at all and much wisdom within.

Thank you,

Joe

SteveB:

--- Quote ---The large print does not help, nor do the strong's references contained within the text of the verses that you quote. It is very difficult to read and it only makes it seem as though you are YELLING and trying to shove something down my throat.
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I use the large print because of the strongs. I only got esword with stongs with a the search function. And i'm not yelling. Sorry if its hard to read.  


--- Quote --- am very well aquainted with the scriptures.... shall we just pit one set of verses against another until one of us gets tired and gives up? Is bigger better? How about you keep red and I'll take aqua or something??    
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How bout we make the scriptures agree. Because that what they do. The Rom. verse you gave dont contradict with the ones i gave. And i like red...its the color of blood.


--- Quote ---Steve, you CAN'T REPENT of a heresy until the truth has been revealed to you and you KNOW that you are/were in error.

You missed the point.  
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Does that mean you shouldnt call a person out on it just because they dont realize it?? You tell them so they can know there error and if they repent you've gained your brother.  :D
I'd expect no less for myself.

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Does the fact that Mike taught 'heresy' make him any less a part of the body of Christ? Will you cast him out of the body that YOU claim to be a PART OF, IF tomorrow God reveals something to you that you believe contradicts what it taught/believed by Mike.... or would you still consider him a brother in the Lord and try to approach him as such and present your 'revelation' and your 'proofs'?? That he may very well REJECT.....
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If Mike hadnt repented when the error was pointed out, then yes he should have been put out. IN fact he says this time after time if you'd read and listened to his teaching. Same thing goes for me.


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Will you hope that he will ACCEPT YOU as a brother who might have something in the way of revelation and truth to offer him??
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I know if I offer him anything in the scriptures he may have not seen or thought about and its in accord with the rest of spricture he would accept it. If not i should be given two admonitions and if i dont repent I SHOULD BE PUT OUT.

Thats the way it works. Those are not my words, but i believe them.

Peace...Steve

SteveB:
Craig that was one of the best papers i've ever read. Thank you for sharing.

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