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What is required of a disciple?
Daniel:
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--- Quote ---Don't yous think theres much we all must learn? Who can possibility be an expert or authority on it, or make that claim?
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Learning is a process that never stops, line apon line etc.
Being an 'expert' is something to strive for but speaking with authority ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW is required. Christ is our authority and as he IS, so are we. :D
--- Quote ---I know for me personally I don't have the details filled in. I have many things to learn and unlearn, don't we all?
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I certainly dont have ALL the details and have many things to learn and unlearn. But we can speak and preach the things given for the FEW to know. And speak BOLDLY, at that.
--- Quote ---Can't these exist and we still be of one mind?
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If we cant speak with authority how can we even know what being of 'one mind' is?
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I don't know why you question things as you do, its what Ray said, I had admiration for his words. I spent the day in the e-mail forums. I was kind of quoting him from the e-mail forum because it seemed to fit here.
Ray stated
"There is much that we must all yet learn. I am an expert and authority on nothing. I make no claims to fame or accomplishment.There is much that we must all yet learn. I am an expert and authority on nothing. I make no claims to fame or accomplishment."
"The details are yet to be filled in. I have yet many things to write about as well as many new things to learn and a few old things yet to unlearn."
Sometimes things are probrobly better off being given through the only people one might only have the ability to hear.
Goodness if Ray himself is working out the details etc, why is it not okay for us as well?
I found the place of that scripture you quoted :D
Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: they would not hear, But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.[/u]
A littlle grace and patience with the young ones, were not talking about GRIEVOUS (SEVERE) WOLVES those who SPARE NO ONE :shock: Just young ones growing in the sincere milk of the word.
Daniel
Daniel:
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I know for me personally I don't have the details filled in. I have many things to learn and unlearn, don't we all?
Can't these exist and we still be of one mind?
Daniel
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I hope so, Daniel. Otherwise all of us are on our own.
SteveB wrote:
--- Quote ---Almost isnt good enough in Chirsts mind. Thats what being of one mind is all about. Could Ray or Mike be wrong in something they write? Yes, they could. Could I. Yes. As you've said before Peter was wrong and Paul confronted him about it.
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You really think this way, Steve? So, Mike or Ray could be wrong in something but you'll 'go along with it', saying that you believe it too, just so that you can be of 'one mind'? Is this really what being of 'one mind' means? Sounds and feels more like a cult-like experience to me, and I'm sure that neither Mike or Ray would have anyone just 'go along' with what they teach? Maybe i've misunderstood what you're saying.
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Ofcourse we can all be wrong, I know I can. Ray inspired that comment from me. As I was reading I thought of what Ray might say because I think Steve might be able to hear Ray better. What Ray said perfectlly fit here. I thought I'd submit it for his consideration.
Then when I had to answer for it :shock: I thought, maybe he could take it up with Ray who he admits to being %100 in agreement with . If he realizes that Ray said it, it should be okay now.
Just thought it was a good word. I just don't wannt to not discuss the things Ray teaches and get anyone mad at me, then again I don't want to quote him and have the same scenario. sometimes you can't win :lol:
Daniel
Joey Porter:
I believe "being of one mind" would have more to do with having a sincere desire for the truth as opposed to looking at every miniscule nook and cranny of doctrine exactly the same way. I believe it is possible for two people to "be of one mind" while still seeing things differently - as long as both people are sincerely looking for truth with a willingness to forsake error.
I believe that God will give us the discernment to learn who among us is really seeking the truth and who may be just trying to cause heresies and stir up trouble. I also believe that we should strive not to be so hard on someone who may see things differently and yet is still honestly trying to learn.
SteveB:
--- Quote ---You really think this way, Steve? So, Mike or Ray could be wrong in something but you'll 'go along with it', saying that you believe it too, just so that you can be of 'one mind'? Is this really what being of 'one mind' means? Sounds and feels more like a cult-like experience to me, and I'm sure that neither Mike or Ray would have anyone just 'go along' with what they teach? Maybe i've misunderstood what you're saying.
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YOu did misunderstand:)
I wasnt saying go along if they are wrong, i was saying they are capable of being wrong. Being of 'one mind' means speaking with one voice, with one Lord and one God.
--- Quote ---"There is much that we must all yet learn. I am an expert and authority on nothing. I make no claims to fame or accomplishment.There is much that we must all yet learn. I am an expert and authority on nothing. I make no claims to fame or accomplishment."
"The details are yet to be filled in. I have yet many things to write about as well as many new things to learn and a few old things yet to unlearn."
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What Ray was saying was that he HIMSELF wasnt an authority or expert. NOT that he couldnt teach WITH authority. How can someone without authority teach? He knows its Christ IN him that does the works and thats what he MENT by that statement.
--- Quote ---Goodness if Ray himself is working out the details etc, why is it not okay for us as well?
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'working OUT details' is fine. Its what happens when there worked out. I never said i knew it all or that it wasnt ok to ask questions. But once you've asked and your ANSWER is contrary to the Word of God there is a problem.
--- Quote ---A littlle grace and patience with the young ones, were not talking about GRIEVOUS (SEVERE) WOLVES those who SPARE NO ONE Just young ones growing in the sincere milk of the word.
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Amen :D
--- Quote ---I believe "being of one mind" would have more to do with having a sincere desire for the truth as opposed to looking at every miniscule nook and cranny of doctrine exactly the same way. I believe it is possible for two people to "be of one mind" while still seeing things differently - as long as both people are sincerely looking for truth with a willingness to forsake error.
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I'm sorry i just cant agree based on the scriptures...
Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except, they be agreed?
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
1Co 12:13 For, even to one Spirit, we all, into one body, have been immersed,-whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free,-and, all, of one Spirit, have been caused to drink.
Peace...Steve
Gill:
I agree, Joey. The day i stop asking questions is the day i need to worry. It takes humility to admit that we don't understand something. We all want to be 'in the know' on all of God's mysteries at once, thank you very much ...signed, sealed ...there we go ...no more need to search for that buried treasure, i have it all right here! And i will burn anyone at the stake who thinks differently! (sorry :P ).
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