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What is required of a disciple?
hillsbororiver:
Joey, Gill and all, some very good comments here, I was thinking about what was said about the seeking of His Truth as what makes us of one mind, the knowledge that we must continually search and verify, we don't actually get to the point of "being there" complete in knowledge and understanding.
I think that if all of us were literally searching a field for buried treasure we all would be doing it in a slightly different manner, some plowing right in turning over earth with a bulldozer and a backhoe, others would be going out with a sugar spoon carefully examining every inch of dirt in a sincere effort to find this treasure, and most others would be somewhere in between those two extremes.
That being said, we all would still be of the same mind, FIND THE TREASURE! Even though the methods and styles and effectiveness would differ in degrees.
Joe
Laren:
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"Bob I have brought you to this opening of My truths to your eyes and ears. I have blessed these men and am using them to proclaim My truths but I now want you to do My will and I will lead you in what I want to reveal to you! I want you to abide in my Son Jesus Christ and My Spirit will guide as I teach you. I have used Ray and Mike and others to help you as you learn but always remeber that they or you can do nothing without Me! I am the the Way,the Truth and the LIfe. They and you must decrease and Christ must increase. I want you to read My word and I will give you understanding and it will Happen in My time table. My will is to use others to help all my called and chosen and I want you to keep your eyes on Me and to follow My Son."
bobby(bob)
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:D :D :D Amen!!!!
Hbr 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Hbr 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Hbr 12:2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
orion77:
Bobby, those are words well spoken. I understand exactly and feel the same way.
Eternal life is to know Jesus. A true disciple yearns to stay in His word. To lose this life and give it back to the rightful owner is gaining life. We are all like seeds. A seed must die before being planted to grow and produce much fruit.
For me, the greatest thing I've learned from Rays site is just exactly who the beast is. This alone has opened up His word tremendously. There is no words that can properly thank him enough to teach this truth. It has brought a much closer relationship to my Lord.
All the honor goes to Him, I thank Ray for teaching, yet he is no different than I. The Holy Spirit shows different things to different people, which makes a many membered body, giving all the honor and glory to Him. For we all know we can do nothing without Him.
God bless,
Gary
Daniel:
This thread is the best yet, you can't help but rejoice in the truth here! Back to Jesuus Christ who IS "THE Truth" :D
Bobby that was an excellent word! I agree we as well others are to decrease that HE might increase in us. Isn't that Gods will in each of our lives to be led by the Spirit and become the Sons of God. Your words resounded in the Spirit
As would be the case of another helping us, Jesus commended that John was a shining light and for a season they were willing to enjoy that light.
John 5:35He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.[/u]
John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
He is the Author and finisher of our faith
1John 5:9 If we "receive" the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness IN HIMSELF: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1John 5:11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may KNOW HIM that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.[/u]
John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
John 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe
John 1:8 He was NOT THAT Light, but was sent to bear witness OF THAT Light.[/u]
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth "every man" that cometh into the world.
Back to the RECORD
John 1:19 And this is the record of John[/u], when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
John 1:20 And he CONFESSED, and DENIED NOT; but confessed, I am not the Christ.[/u]
John 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of HIS disciples;[/b]
John 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
John 1:37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and THEY FOLLOWED JESUS.[/u]
Its all about following Christ, not men even if John was sent by God himself.
John 3:26 they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to HIM.[/u]
You'd never hear this kind of response from ministers today who do not want the whole world to follow after Christ and "lose their place" or rule over others.
John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.[/u]
John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear ME witness, that I said, I am NOT the Christ, but that I am sent before him.[/u]
Sounds like Paul who wanted Christ to be formed in them, whose prayer was for their perfection.
John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of "the bridegroom's voice" this my joy therefore is fulfilled.[/u]
As Bobby just quoted
John 3:30 HE must INCREASE, but I must DECREASE.[/u]
2Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to ONE HUSBAND, that I may "present you" as a chaste virgin TO CHRIST.[/u]
Daniel
Gill:
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That being said, we all would still be of the same mind, FIND THE TREASURE! Even though the methods and styles and effectiveness would differ in degrees.
Joe
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Hehe, i like that :D .
The hell doctrine blasphemes against God's character, the free-will idea puffs man up ...there are some doctrines that do a great deal of damage in one way or another. But there are a many other truths that just seem to be seen differently by different people ~ each with their own scriptual take on it. For me personally, i hope that God keeps me being real in only proffessing that which i really do understand and believe. Even if that means i look a little dense or weak in someone else's eyes.
If Paul knew in part and saw through a glass darkly ...you can bet i will (and even more so). None of this means that i don't desire knowledge though! As Joe said: "FIND THE TREASURE!" :lol:
You know, if i thought the forum wouldn't break out in a rash, i wish we could discuss exactly what being a heretic really means. (Maybe one of the mods could suggest Ray do a paper; i would be interested to see his take on it ~ don't think he has written one already?). Surely there must be a proper definition. There must be a line drawn somewhere.
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