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Any true Churches
Douglas Wayne Thomas:
You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery;' but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5:27
I do not think the sin is in looking it is the intent. However it is very difficult to look at something that one would want and not have the intent to posses that thing even for a short period of time.
The small change for me was knowing what God wanted me, and expected me, to do and actually being able to do those things. Everynight when I go to sleep (I think of sleeping as dying) I try to become more transformed by seeking God's will for my life when I awake.
This transformation is always occurring and it is very difficult. I too have a very very long way to go to even be able to participate of the scraps of God's banquet.
Akira329:
--- Quote from: Beloved on September 29, 2008, 11:39:30 AM ---Douglas started this post and on the surface it may have seem to be kind of a rebuff to Rays teachings
Is there a church around that teaches the truth? Can I physically fellowship with anyone in a church where the truth is being taught? How would I find out about such a church if one did exist?
Assuming that all that come to the forum have read Ray's position on this is seems on the surface to be an absurd question to ask.
We here at the forum and conference want to believe that we assemble and fellowship as the true church but as I looked at this passage and it may me ponder.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Jesus asked peter who He was…
(Mat 16:15) He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
(Mat 16:16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
(Mat 16:17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
We all read it but do we get it? It seems to me that many (especially Catholic and other denominations ) who reads Matthew 16:18 think that peter is the one who the church is being built on.
There is a play on words that makes this happen . Peter means a piece of the rock , a stone, but the Rock being referred to is feminine a huge mass of Rock…substational.
Peter did not come up with that answer the Spirit of God revealed it to him, it is the spirit of God that will bring you to the Rock
Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
The rock they stumble on is Petra (look it up) Not Petros (peters name) The cannot take root because they are not of the spirit, they cannot receive the word. They stumble because they follow mans thoughts and doctrines, not the spirit.
We are to have our foundation on this Rock, not any stones (petros or lithos)
The same Rock mentioned many times in the OT
2Sa 22:32 For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a Rock, save our God? Hebrew for Rock is tsur tsur
Being human we want to be in a physical man made dwelling made of man made stones and we do like following 'talking head' but peter himself tells us we are living stones….stones that are alive because the Spirit reveals to us to the Rock.
That is why Ray can affirmly state that NO CURCH on earth has true doctrine. It is God himself that will construct it…He will select the building material.
You asked “How would I find out about such a church if one did exist?
That is why Jesus told us to ….. Seek the Kingdom…isn’t that what we are all trying to do.
beloved
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I had to save that as a word doc!! ;D
Antaiwan
Ninny:
Jeff H's last post was very sad :'( I am sorry that he's leaving.
Kathy
digitalwise:
Where is the true church?
Well that is question with a deep paradox.
Here's the paradox.
If no true church exists then then NO church exists on earth that is of God.
Are you a true believer then?
If you are true believer then the true church exists...as you my dear brothers and sisters make up that spiritual building!
That's the paradox.
I believe in reference to Ray's teachings he was simply stating that it is NOT a building but it is made up and consists of believers like YOU gathering in HIS name.
It is staring you in the face.
Rather then critising the "outer" false churches - every man should look to his own household and see whether he/she be in the faith. That's the true church.
On forgiveness - we of ourselves WILL never make it. It is God's GRACE in CHRIST that puts us into his Kingdom.
digitaladvisor
Akira329:
I don't quite understand why Jeff is saying he should be removed from the forum.
I also don't quite get his stance?
Is lying ok where it profits good? Doesn't the lying to get the good turns into deceit??
Isn't deceit a product of lying?
When did it become ok to lie even if you didn't know it?? The lie has to be dealt with?
How can one become familiar with the truth if they didn't first know the lie? I wouldn't have known the
lie was a lie except for the truth.
Excuse me, ya'll, I'm just rambling on.
I am confused as to where he was going with this.
Hope he comes back.
Antaiwan
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