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Free will misconstrued I believe by me!!
Richard D:
It’s my intentions out of love for all who may have what I feel misconstrued Ray’s teachings on free will verses no free will in like manor as I have. It is my view that this subject is of utmost important and the foundation of the believers walk with God almighty.
In attempting to understand the sin nature within me, I have posted on this forum as all of you can testify to. Understanding every person is under the law of sin or the law of righteousness in attempting to elude through understanding the law of sin.
Before continuing I should like to say without prejudice I pass judgment on no forum member or insinuating on any terms my issue has been caused by any member on this forum.
In a spirit of love I bring to the attention of every brother and sister in the body of Christ which I believe wholeheartedly without doubt I belong also. I’m fully persuaded through Ray’s teaching that nothing in heaven or earth or the world below has free will except God our creator who by the council of His will has predetermined all things.
I through Ray’s teaching concerning free will had come under the understanding or impression that God brings causes that cause all to sin, which all being subjected to God’s will can not resist.
God can not be tempted nor does God temp anyone to sin. But by nature, all being carnally minded to one degree or another do sin in one degree or another. I believed although I would sin until God stops sending causes that cause me to error.
I find that my error is directly related to consequences of sin which can be most uncomfortable to one degree or another. God indeed sends the causes that produce the cause but it’s also my belief that God expects me to learn righteousness through consequences of suffering.
Therefore I find with any desire contrary to the law of righteousness I have not free will but do have choice being able to choose, doing right by virtue through unpleasant consequences learning to do righteousness by the grace of God through His promise of escape by not being temple above that which is greater than my capacity to withstand.
It is self evident to me by virtue of sinful desires does my fiery trials lead me from the law of sin into the law of righteousness day by day until I have finished the worthy race by the grace of God who has called me according to His will for His propose.
If any member on this forum who with unfailing understanding of these truths Ray teaches concerning free will verses will finds I’m in error of this mind that is in me is mislead, please correct me in these things I say.
I freely admit I’ am a child in the faith not having teeth to eat meat but having a neon light with in me that guides me. For this cause I ask always knowing there is greater wisdom as a collective body than as a loner with little understanding. Also if this mind in me is accurate in what I say it’s good you should say so also.
In His Love And Understanding. Richard the young hearted. Peace to all of you.
AK4:
Hi Richard
I too believe that free will is the biggest or most profound or is the strong delusion that was sent by God. You take this away and none of the false doctrines and religions have a leg to stand on.
No you have it right Richard. Getting over free will is tough. From childhood, say about 1yr old, we are basically taught free will by our parents (and i believe we all are guilty of teaching our children this too) saying to us "why did you do this or that?" and "what do you want to be when you grow up" and "you can be whatever you want to be".
Its a tough pill to swallow and something i think most of mankind will fight tooth and nail for to the death. I believe i have a pretty good grasp on it, but i find myself struggling everyday with it too because i desperately wanna "free will" myself out of cigarettes, but boy do i lose everyday.
Free will is such a brilliant delusion or illusion if you think about. Praise God!
Richard D:
Hi Anthony
This is the point I’m tiring to drive home, O.K. I don’t have free will, I understand this clearly. But knowing I don’t have free will, if misunderstood ,can cause me to error.
Do I say to myself, Well now, whatever I do its Gods will, Yes, I believe so, but will not the world learn to do righteousness? Of course the world will learn to do righteousness!
Is it God will that I eat ten chocolate cakes today, Lets say yes ,its God’s will I eat ten chocolate cakes today. Do I become sick because I ate ten chocolate cakes today? Yes, I become sick.
Tomorrow, God sends causes to me again, to cause me to want to eat ten chocolate cakes. Do I eat ten chocolate cakes again? God forbid, I remember yesterday I became sick when I ate ten chocolate cakes.
Now, have I not learned to do righteousness? Yes, I have learned to do righteousness through pain and suffering which are the consequences of disobedient.
Beloved:
God's will reign regardless of whether you eat the chocolate cakes, it is Christ in you that leads to righteousness He is the one that helps you obey, you do not do anything to become righteousness.
God is not do Pavlovian studies on mankind (training a dog to salivate when a bell is rung, instead of when food is shown, because he learned a bell=food. , if he then did all the people in the world over the ages who are suffering or who suffered would have responded and become believers. Most are praying to God but for their will not His.
The tribulations are given so that through Christ you learn to listen to the Will of God regardless of the circumstances. It is during the times of darkness that your strength is increased.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
2Co 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Finally it is the Spirit of Christ Our Comforter now that will get you through the hard place ...He is our example and model.
Mat 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Christ prayed this before not during his tribulation. He prayed and commuted with the father daily before he went out and did His Fathers Will. This was His penultimate (next to the last chapter of a book) act before He prayed .......
It is Finished.
The church and the unbelievers will not learn righteousness until they are given eyes to see and ears to hear. Then they can will see that God is totally sovereign and they will be tested also.
Beloved
Richard D:
Beloved.
Yes its true God's will reign regardless of whether I eat the chocolate cakes or not. But none the less, I choose this time not to eat because of the consequences of sickness.
Also would this not be in God’s will that I learn? I’m beginning to think God has two wills, a perfect will and a submissive will.
Both wills lead all things into complete harmony according to the counsel of his will. I think his perfect will is for those he has chosen and his submissive will is for the rest of humanity at a later time where they will also learn too.
Ray had mentioned something about God’s heart but also God’s mind. Ray said that God purpose something in His mind but it hurts His heart. This is where I see two wills of God.
Yes, only by Christ can I say no to sin for without Christ I can do noting but sin. But with Christ, the next day I say no to the chocolate cake because I remember my sickness but without Christ I can not help but to say yes to the chocolate cake.
But with Christ I say NO. So now I say, its no longer I but Christ that reigns within me.
So I ask, is this mind set in me correct?
You’re friend and brother in our Lord Jesus. Richard.
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