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hello, new member here- and a modern day parable
believerx:
hi james,
i have several translations not a one is without biases or mistakes that pervert many things, it only takes one thing on a car to be broken and it will not work.
the scriptures are much more complex and interdependent than an internal combustion engine.
to build good doctrine, even with a spiritual mind, you must have the actual words consistently translated.
tell me, where can one find this faithful translation you speak of ???
and while you are at- would you produce a video clip of bigfoot, nessie, and the abominable snowman having tea with the easter bunny? ;D
i have yet to discover it. please tell me so i can throw away all my superfluous reference books >:( what a total waste of time all these years :-[
peace ;)
kevin
Beloved:
You started with a riddle ....that is how you introduced yourself...and I played along since you made that your main point ...never the less.... hello and welcome
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Technically speaking about the parable, the whole Bible is a paprable...but God really drove the concept home in the NT, and man being full of vanity think tha they understand them....
Your right that there is not one trans...lation of man that is 'correct'...it is the nature of language and time Erza when they returned from babylon even had to contend to this because none could read Hebrew.. he assigned men to trnaslate.
But I doubt that Jesus had any problems in translations when He was 12 in the temple and was study Torah since he was one with the father....No wonder they arveled. Jesus, later in life did however correct the religious folk...and especially there reliance on their man made talmud.
Joh 5:39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the Scriptures, neither the power of God?[/color]
now there is the clue here...do you see it?
But you are wrong about there being not one ...there is one translation that I am learning to rely on
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Psa 25:5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
Psa 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
The Holy Spirit shows me what is there hidden in all of the garble , it is not on the surface of the print....it is revealed....I can't show it to anyone because it is invisible ink.
Regarding this riddle...Saldenavit is blind and he is leading the blind scribes and he is lying .....there is nothing that they can do to God's Word...First God has made them unable to see it or hear it.... and
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie The Fool that is selling the Pen and the fools that bought it.
Second Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
beloved
Kat:
Hi Kevin,
I missed your post yesterday, welcome to the forum :)
This forum is a place where like minded believers can fellowship, I hope you can also share the peace we have here. I'm not good at parables, that's why I study at BT.
There are many translations, all are made perfectly to suit His purpose.
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
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believerx:
thanks kat and beloved for the greeting.
beloved i am delighted to see this-
beloved wrote:
Technically speaking about the parable, the whole Bible is a paprable..
kev;
(if the following is teaching in violation of the rules - i dont know any other way to reply ??? please clarify this rule for me- so i dont get in trouble. :) i can only to relate to people in a very narrow manner.)
beloved, this is without a doubt a totally veiled truth to all but a few- but do you really believe it? or even more importantly understand it- i am not trying to insult you here - i am giving you a compliment without any guile. which i rarely do :)
i have to be careful what i write where anyone can read it. secrets are a stewardship that must be kept.
if what you just said is true- which it is- then:
romans, corinthians, gal, eph, etc... are parablolic in nature- so all those statements that are thought to be so clear and apparent are just as hidden as the most difficult passages in the gospels.
then the law and the prophets are also parables, and the way they come to us-
fragmented and incomplete by themselves.
Hebrews 1
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in
many portions ( parts- incomplete and fragmented- scattered about)
many portions
many portions
( this is what gets me so irked- people think that gen 3 is a conversation that took place in the time it takes someone to read it, that is totally preposterous and laughable and i am now ashamed i used to believe the same foolishness)
and in many ways,
but even here i find that people dont really follow the principle
i spend hours in my head unraveling and meditatating on these mysteries and i must admit there are many that are as yet to be revealed to me.
Beloved said:
.but God really drove the concept home in the NT, and man being full of vanity think tha they understand them....
kevin wrote;
How about this one?
But, when you get to that 40th scroll, there will be an invisible division so the continuity of the whole 66 scrolls, will be lost!
i asked you what this meant -here is where you missed it.
The Golden Lampstand ex 25:
31"Then you shall make a lampstand of pure gold. The lampstand and its base and its shaft are to be made of hammered work;
its cups, (22 cups)
its bulbs (22 bulbs)
and its flowers ( 22 flowers)
(66 separate, yet identifiable parts)
shall be of one piece with it.
shall be of one piece with it.
shall be of one piece with it.
shall be of one piece with it.
shall be of one piece with it.
32"Six branches shall go out from its sides; three branches of the lampstand from its one side and three branches of the lampstand from its other side.
33"Three cups shall be shaped like almond blossoms in the one branch, a bulb and a flower, and three cups shaped like almond blossoms in the other branch, a bulb and a flower--so for six branches going out from the lampstand;
34and in the lampstand four cups shaped like almond blossoms, its bulbs and its flowers.
35"A bulb shall be under the first pair of branches coming out of it, and a bulb under the second pair of branches coming out of it, and a bulb under the third pair of branches coming out of it, for the six branches coming out of the lampstand.
36"Their bulbs and their branches shall be of
one piece
one piece
one piece
one
piece
with it; all of it shall be
one piece
( do you see a pattern developing here?)
of hammered work of pure gold.
Here is the point-
There is NO NEW testament, there is NO Old testament - there is only the scriptures- 66 books that make up
one
seamless
revelation from God!
which the majority treat over half of it with little more than casual acknowledgement and relegate most of it as historical which it isnt.
so now you can stop saying there is a NT ;)
as for the pen:
Jer 8:8
How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us? But behold, the
lying pen of the scribes
Has made it into a lie.
how how how?
peace
kevin
Scripture taken from the NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE®, Copyright ©
1960,1962,1963,1968,1971,1972,1973,1975,1977,1995 by The Lockman
Foundation. Used by permission."
James:
Kevin, OK, maybe I spoke too literally for you ;). IMO there are more accurate translations than others, and even within that group I find I need to "check around" in different ones to get a "clearer picture". No, I don't believe we have one perfect translation, and I didn't say that...it may have sounded to be implied and then assumed? And bottom line, as stated and as beloved said, and I trust/believe you agree, must be spirit revealed...James.
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