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hello, new member here- and a modern day parable
believerx:
hi james,
no you didnt speak too literally. i hope you appreciate my humor :)
i bear you no malice- but stop giving your own opininion- you are not afforded the luxury anymore if you will serve Christ.
James wrote:
IMO there are more accurate translations than others, and even within that group I find I need to "check around"
kevin;
how did you come to this conclusion without comparing them with the original text?
check all of them if you want i am trying to help by streamlining the process for you. they ( all the translations) are like busted engines in a car- why try to salvage the useful parts from many and make some kind of frankenstein amalgamation?
all the original words contain the value you need to unlock the mysteries- if indeed the spirirt of christ dwells in you. but YOU MUST HAVE THE ORIGINAL WORDS!!! otherwise you can not tell the difference in ANY ENGLISH BIBLE.
it would take me too long to cover this even comprehensively but look at this:
6.Translate a single word into many different words all throughout the scrolls.
7.Translate many different words into a single word all throughout the scrolls.
this is important because nearly every translation does this- it hinders understanding to your english speaking, thinking, hearing, seeing mind.
6.Translate a single word into many different words all
throughout the scrolls.
You can verfiy this even with a strong’s conc. look up a word like AGE -go to the dictionary and you will find Many words that this single greek word has been translated into english.
this inconsistency hinders the linking of the use of these words to get a
"clear picture "
of its total use in the greek scriptures
7.Translate many different words into a single word all throughout the scrolls.
Again, You can verfy this even with a strongs conc. look up a word like judge: look to the right column and see the MANY #'s (representing greek words)this 1 single english word has been translated from. when the translators throw all these differing words into a pile and just label them with a single word - you lose all the nuance and the ability to distinguish between some VERY IMPORTANT "seeming" contradictions. People love to qoute "judge not" when this is a legal term that is elaborated on in 1 cor 6- as "GO TO LAW"
which nearly all "christians" disobey or give hearty appoval to it's disobedience, by divorcing their covenant mates and re-marrying thereby committing adultery in any subsequent marriage.
this whole spirit revealed stuff all sounds nice and uncontentious but the scriptures are the words of the spirit. it isnt some subjective experiential internal vulcan mindmeld- it can be articulated into a comprehensible arguement from the scriptures themselves. that is what the tower of babel is all about-
everybody speaking in different languages unable to understand the others.
which in turn breeds contempt and war and murder.
if you have ears to hear. ;)
peace
kevin
Beloved:
Ray teaches that the whole Bible is a parable and the ones that see it know it.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
This is said to those who superficially read and do not plow
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
(Pro 25:2 KJVR) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
These are said to those who will plow the road. The 22 22 22/one piece is one small revelation amoung the billions.
There are so many beautiful things hidden in and among the scriptures it will blow the socks off skeptics and those too busy to study.
Regarding the naming of the parts of the Scriptures, this is for reference . We here at BT know the Word of God is seamless... The Torah Tenach and the Good News are only bookmarks and pointers. Man can be a lumper or a splitter at times, that is the way they think and communicate.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
You said
i have to be careful what i write where anyone can read it. secrets are a stewardship that must be kept.
We are to guard and keep His word, but those who cannot see, cannot understand.
G5083
τηρέω tēreō
Thayer Definition: 1) to attend to carefully, take care of 1a) to guard
1b) metaphorically to keep, one in the state in which he is 1c) to observe
1d) to reserve: to undergo something
Part of Speech: verb
There is not one word in the bible that lacks meaning..., it will not return void, the mintest deatils all have meanings, it is just that computers made of meat cannot comprehend it.
You said
if the following is teaching in violation of the rules - i dont know any other way to reply please clarify this rule for me- so i dont get in trouble. i can only to relate to people in a very narrow manner.)
Even though what you have said is interesting , unfortunately BelieverX this forum's purpose is not to pursue these things. This particular forum is for sharing Rays teachings aout the word. This forum is part of Ray's website.
Beloved
hillsbororiver:
The following is an email answer from Ray that touches on Old Covenant/New Covenant, Old Testament/New Testament, Christ fulfilled the Old bringing us the New, the New Testament chronicles this transformation.
Dear Byron:
Thank you for your comments and/or questions.
You are not distinguishing between things that differ as the Scriptures admonish us.
It seems hardly anyone knows that "fulfill means." Jesus said that he "fulfilled" the LAW, yet it is taught today in the Church that it YET needs to be fulfilled BY US. What is that? I have never heard a minister yet put the parts of Christ declaration together:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law OR THE PROPHETS: I am not come to destroy, [the law AND THE PROPHETS], but to fulfill [the law AND THE PROPHETS]" (Matt. 5:17).
Now then, did Jesus Christ "fulfill" all of the prophecies concerning Him? Well if He did, then does there REMAIN any that He DID NOT FULFILL? Then why doesn't anyone, it seems, believe that He also and in the very same way fulfilled "the law?"
We are now under a NEW COVENANT [and Hebrews 8 tells us that this NEW covenant is NOT IN ACCORD with the OLD covenant.
The Pharisees kept the old testament law of Moses with its ten commandments. But Jesus said that WE, Believers, must FAR EXCEED the righteousness of the Pharisees. Jesus gave us NEW COMMANDMENTS that are far superior to the old law. Christ's laws are SPIRITUAL laws. The Old Covenant which really IS "the ten commandments" (See Deut. 4:13) was an administration of DEATH. The laws were of the letter (death) not of the spirit (life). See II Cor. 3.
Under the Old Covenant you were to HATE YOUR ENEMIES. Under the New we are to LOVE OUR ENEMIES. Love your enemies is not a slight modification of hating your enemies. Not lusting after a woman is not a slight modification of not committing physical intercourse with a married woman. NOT SWEARING is not a slight modification of swearing! Etc. Can you see this? Under the old covenant one was to love his neighbor as himself. Under the new we are to esteem our neighbor HIGHER than ourselves. Do you see the difference?
Things that were "holy" and have run their course, are NO LONGER Holy. All Israel was Holy. Physical Israel is no longer holy. Sacrifices were HOLY unto the Lord; they no longer are. Tithing was just as specific a law as sacrificing. Tithes were of farm products NOT MONEY. It was paid to the Levites. There are no Levites today. It was kept in storehouses. There are no storehouses today. Go to the nominal Christian church and as for food from their storehouse to feed some poor that you are aware of. They will in all probability TURN YOU AWAY, even though their bank accounts are filled with MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars, often times. There is NO TEMPLE at which the Levites and Priests officiate today. And if you liken the Church today as God's nation of priests as Peter tells us, then we ALL should be receiving tithes, NOT PAYING TITHES!
Byron, Paul NEVER, EVER taught, or collected tithes from the Gentile congregations. Can you not see that? Why did he work with his own hands if he were collecting millions and millions and millions from the HUNDREDS of congregations he founded? Seriously, these are questions that need answering. Paul never taught tithing and he never collected tithes, so why should anyone else who claims to be a minister of Jesus Christ??
Now it is not wrong to support a church or pay a salary to a pastor, but it cannot be in the form of MONEY FROM A VOID LAW OF PRODUCE TITHING.
You are right, we should not CONTINUE TO SIN, and teaching and collecting tithe money from believers IS A GROSS SIN!!!
God be with you,
Ray
http://bible-truths.com/email8.htm
I realize that the above relates primarily to a question about tithing but the premise of Christ transforming the "old" into the "new" is made very clear here.
Peace,
Joe
indianabob:
--- Quote from: believerx on October 05, 2008, 04:14:25 AM ---wow :(
didnt even get a hello.
beloved,
too obvious?
really?
perhaps then you would care to scripturally interpret this line:
“ah, but the pen has it’s own mind that will pick the most damaging place to insert
just
one
single
word
that will throw all of your masters servants into slavery , so that He will have no workers”
How about this one?
But, when you get to that 40th scroll, there will be an invisible division so the continuity of the whole 66 scrolls, will be lost!
since you have confidently asserted the following wrong assumption,
The 1oth feature is that the words would be written in parables, leading those who read understand the literal and not the spiritual,
i would recommend you call the omniscience repairman to get your all-knowing ability serviced- it seems to be running a tad slow ;)- since God's intention was that the scriptures to be written in mystery format- a lying pen would undermine and not affirm that.
you are not even in the ballpark- and like most of the things i write- i have not learned from men.
since, according to the rules, i will not be allowed to teach you the meaning, or reprove ( insult) you, which nullifies correcting or training in righteousness being accomplished, i wil leave you with a blessing.
Peace
kevin
--- End quote ---
New Friend Kevin,
Please take my response with a spoon full of sugar to sweeten my words if they seem strange.
1. You are new here and yet you write to us with a familiarity that you have not yet earned. You don't know us and yet the tone of your words presumes intimate knowledge of our individual background.
2. Your rhetoric seems to be from an extensive education and yet your approach is that of a recent graduate who feels a need to share what has been learned with others perhaps with a desire to demonstrate accomplishment.
3. Frankly Kevin, I am not concerned with the source of your knowledge or with third party references or degrees in a particular discipline; what I am concerned about it to draw closer to you in the framework of brotherhood and Christian love. I am willing to share my feelings and beliefs and I sincerely solicit your friendship and any spiritual understanding that you have been given in your journey of faith. So, if we can, let's keep it simple for the first few weeks until we develop a spiritual bond of brotherhood that will encourage deeper understanding and clear communication.
Thank you for your patient reading of my humble views and welcome to the B T forum.
Indiana Bob
believerx:
well bob,
you should know i wil say what i say. you are correct i do not have a familiarity with anyone here. i have no formal theological education- no letters, no one to vouch for me. barely graduted high school.
i dont relate to people at all really- there is only one person that i can even have a conversation with, my grown son, everyone else has literally forsaken me - and he hadnt spoken to me for over 2 years and he lives 1000 miles away. i havent seen him or my other son in over 3 years, all because of the evil circumcision that upset( tore apart) my whole family. tit 1:10-11 nasb -and i am as angry as God is about it. so if that is what bleeds into what i write....
so i come here and the only thing i can do i say what i say, looking for some commonality between people that say God will save all, which is rare, but in my reading of scripture not really a qualification for elect status. doesnt mean i dont deeply care for people, i do. i read the heart wrenching stories and i am sorrowful, i have suffered immeasurable loss in my own eyes, and even in a worldly material sense( i have almost nothing - everything has been taken- i am not exaggerating, i do not deserve this, but i am also hard presssed to do what i do. i am the son that did not want to work in the vineyard but ended up doing it anyway. i have no real sensual disire to do this- it doesnot mend my broken heart.
i have been hurt and rejected by the very ones that promised me their earthly love so much that anything a million strangers could say to me online would hurt about as much as a mosquito bite. i said initially i would move on.
there is a quote from a silly movie poster that sums up my outlook on all this-
Napoleon Dynamite-"he's out to prove he has nothing to prove"
and niether do i. but woe unto me if i do not preach the gospel.
if i have to go thru some preliminary probation before i say what comes to mind, then i probably will not say anything at all. i have volumes of things i do not share- because God restrains me.
i appreciate your comments - but there has not been a soul that has really helped me in way that i would have wanted, for a long time.
thanx tho.
peace
kevin
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