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Confused About A Verse In The Bible
hillsbororiver:
Hi Richard,
Yes, that is correct.
Read the portion of LOF 12 that I posted earlier, much of what we read about the power of His Spirit working through His people is prophetic, pertaining to the next age not the present age.
Peace,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Joe,
John 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
Could Jesus have been speaking of healing in that verse, as I was wondering about this Scripture.
Mark 2:9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, "Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, "Arise, take up your bed and walk'?
v. 10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins"--He said to the paralytic,
v. 11 "I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house."
So Jesus is saying here that healing is forgiving sin? Jesus did command them to "heal the sick."
Luke 10:8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you.
v. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, "The kingdom of God has come near to you.'
We know that the Apostles did heal many people during their ministry.
Acts 5:15 so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them.
v. 16 Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.
Acts 28:8 And it happened that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and dysentery. Paul went in to him and prayed, and he laid his hands on him and healed him.
v. 9 So when this was done, the rest of those on the island who had diseases also came and were healed.
Just wondering if there is a connection here.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 16, 2008, 09:04:01 AM ---
Hi Joe,
John 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
So Jesus is saying here that healing is forgiving sin? Jesus did command them to "heal the sick."
Luke 10:8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you.
v. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, "The kingdom of God has come near to you.'
We know that the Apostles did heal many people during their ministry.
Acts 5:15 so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them.
v. 16 Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.
Acts 28:8 And it happened that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and dysentery. Paul went in to him and prayed, and he laid his hands on him and healed him.
v. 9 So when this was done, the rest of those on the island who had diseases also came and were healed.
Just wondering if there is a connection here.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi Kat,
I understand what you are saying but isn't healing a physical body primarily a physical work (of course accomplished by supernatural power from above), a sign and wonder for unbelievers, to focus attention to/for the new ministries of their day, while forgiving/obsolving sin a spiritual manifestation? Were those physically healed by Jesus or the disciples necessarily spiritually healed/perfected? Also the witholding of forgiveness to me points prophetically to the LOF as some will need a longer purging than others (few stripes, many stripes).
Isn't physical (temporal/mortal) healing a dim shadow of spiritual (immortal) healing?
The biggest clue to this being prophetic rather than literally true in their (and our) day is the holding back of forgiveness even though Jesus instructed Peter to forgive his brother 7x70 times.
His elect will have power and authority the apostles (in the flesh) could only dream of although the things they did were a type/shadow of what they (and the elect) will do after "the change."
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Peace,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Joe,
--- Quote ---Isn't physical (temporal/mortal) healing a dim shadow of spiritual (immortal) healing?
--- End quote ---
That is what I'm thinking. As it does seem that physical healing was a big part of the Apostles ministry, perhaps it was showing them and us in a physical sense what will actually be done in a spiritual sense in the LOF. Sort of like practice for them.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
What I hoped to point out was clarification on what they 'they' was in the verse...the sins, and not the 'sinners'. Forgiveness of sins, to me, is a essentially a practical matter, no matter if the setting is one-on-one human or the Cross or even the LOF.
1Jn 1:9 if we may confess our sins, stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness;
Jas 5:16 Be confessing to one another the trespasses, and be praying for one another, that ye may be healed; very strong is a working supplication of a righteous man;
This cleansing and healing ultimately is God's work. Forgiveness, Repentance, Cleansing.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, but help me nail down a scriptural principal. Is what is prophecied for the Elect never, even in the spiritual, applicable for us now?
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father
Isn't "asking in my name" equivelant to praying "They will be done?"
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