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Spirit and Soul
hammerandnails:
Beloved, you are right, I forgot about the quickening!!! :-[
So, to tie it all together, at birth, we are made of two parts: body and soul,
but the soul also contains the spirit that gives life, bisides the individual character traits
that God had given to each of us.
But, the spirit is still mixed with the soul. Only by the Spirit of Christ in our spirit (spirit to spirit) that separation can take place.
We had received the Spirit of God that quiken our spirit and transforms us in a new creature
from glory to glory. But this activity must take place in the spirit, (spirit to spirit) because the flesh profited nothing.
We are not aware of it, it is hidden. Hence the hidden man of the heart.
By the Word (besides washing), we are separated, namely, the soul from the spirit, in order to discern
between good and bad, spirit and flesh.
This activity takes place in the spirit.
Therefore, (I think) we are becoming three part being, body, soul and spirit, with the spirit becoming
the "chief, the one in charge", and the soul following allong with his senses trained and exercised.
"But strong meet belong to them that are full age,
even those who by reason of use have their senses
exercised (trained) th discern good and evil." Heb.5:14
Other scipture to support what I am saying:
"Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to
understand doctrine? theam that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts." Isa. 28:9
Drawing from the breasts is a painful thing.
Furthermore, the mixture that I was talking about:
" Out of the same mouth proceeds blessing and cursing.
My brethren, these things ought not to be." James3:10
And in the very next verse he says:
"Does a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water
and bitter? (v.11)
Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine
figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh." (v. 12)
So, he say that we bless and curse, and it should not be so, and then he say that
it not possible.
It is not possible if we are clean. We must get clean.
Also James says in v.8 of the same chapter, that we are double minded!
Again mixture, in need of purification.
Another scripture:
"For the word of God is quick and powerful, and sharper than
any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder
of soul and spirit...."
So, if he says soul and spirit then they cannot be one and the same.
It must be cut, divided, separated.
Clearly, they are not one and the same because the bible used two separate words for this
Scripture.
soul: Psuche #5590
spirit: Pneuma #4151
In Job 7:11 "Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my
spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul."
In this verse, the soul and the spirit is clearly not one and the same:
spirit # 07307 ruwach: wind, breath, mind, spirit, wind of heaven, breath of airspirit as a gift, preserved by God's Spirit
departing at death, rarely of the will.
soul # 05315 nephesh: soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, desire, emotion, passion
And then we have this word bitterness. Bitter. Where did we see this word before?
Yes in James.
But wait, I found the same word in Exodus:
Exodus15:22,23:
" So Moses bruought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur;
and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.
And they came to Ma'rah, they could not drink of the waters of Ma'rah,
for they were bitter:therefore the name of it was called Ma'rah.
The word soul ( #5590) in HEB. 4:12, is found 6 times in 1st Peter. One of this verses being this:
"Seeing you have purified your soulsin obeying the truth
trough the Spirit...."1Pet. 1:22.
In conclusion, we are clearly three parts: body, soul and spirit.
The Lord works in our spirit, through the Holy Spirit to purify our soul, and save it. There are separated
which is a process, by sifting (Luke22:31), cutting (Heb.4:12),and exercising (Heb.5:14)and separating.
I apologize if is not very clear as the way I listed the scriptures.
I am so tired, just about to pass out.
Please, if I made a mistake, I welcome your correction.
Love you all
Ariel
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 03, 2008, 08:23:37 PM ---Beloved, you are right, I forgot about the quickening!!! :-[
So, to tie it all together, at birth, we are made of two parts: body and soul,
but the soul also contains the spirit that gives life, bisides the individual character traits
that God had given to each of us.
But, the spirit is still mixed with the soul. Only by the Spirit of Christ in our spirit (spirit to spirit) that separation can take place.
--- End quote ---
Our body is given spirit which makes us a living soul. We, humanity, are living souls. The spirit only gives life. The Holy Spirit is given to the called and chosen to guide them into all truth. Without spirit or a body, the soul does not exist. Spirit is eternal and is not dependent on any other element.
You've pretty much got it though... ;)
Marques
hammerandnails:
Thank you all for extending your patience towards me.
That's priceless!!! ;D ;D
You might as well know this: I don't stop until I get to the bottom of it, whatever it is!!!!
But most of all, I don't stop until I know the truth!!!!
To my new family, my true family
Love you all
Ariel
Kat:
Hi Ariel,
I have some excerpts from the article 'The origin of endless punishment' (http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html) that I think will help your understanding.
--- Quote ---So, to tie it all together, at birth, we are made of two parts: body and soul,
but the soul also contains the spirit that gives life, bisides the individual character traits
that God had given to each of us.
--- End quote ---
God didn’t need to do anything after He breathed into him the breathe of life. It was the breath of life from God that caused the man to become a living soul. God didn’t put a soul into Adam; Adam is a living soul. The spirit of man, which God gives to every human, is like a light switch—Switch it ‘on’ and the light glows: Switch it ‘off’ and the light is dark, gone, dead. Put the spirit in the man, and the man is a living soul: take the spirit out of the man, and the man is a dead soul.
--- Quote ---In conclusion, we are clearly three parts: body, soul and spirit.
--- End quote ---
SATAN’S TRINITY OF MAN
Did you ever wonder why it is that so many Christians are almost violently opposed to our teaching that exposes the trinity theory? Just why is the trinity the bedrock of all Christian doctrines along with the immortal soul and judgment upon death theory? Because man desperately wants to believe that he too is a "trinity" composed of three separate entities of body, soul, and spirit in one being, and that he is really immortal even though his physical body will die. Virtually every pagan religion in the world believes man is immortal as the gods. It is too frightening for them to believe that when they die, they are really dead, and that they will remain dead until or unless God resurrects them back to life.
Did the ancient Egyptians believe in the trinity of man: body, soul, and spirit? Yes, of course they did. The soul of man, called Ba, was the consciousness of the man and dwelled inside the body. The spirit-like aspect of man was called Ka. The Ka was like an invisible spirit double of the man. Both the Ka and the Ba where present in every human at birth. The Ba (soul) was pictured as a bird with the head of a man. Every evening the Ba could leave the mummy body and return back to earth among the living and check on friends and relatives. This is how the dead could keep in contact with the living. This is in fact the same hocus-pocus that medians deceitfully use to deceive people into believing that one can communicate with their dead loved-ones.
There is more superstition and witchcraft in some Christian doctrines than any theologian would ever admit to. The souls of people do not go to a heaven or hell upon death. Such doctrines are straight out of the tombs of the Pagan Egyptians.
This trinity of man and immortality of the soul nonsense is Egyptian (SIN), not Scriptural (RIGHTEOUSNESS).
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I hope that will be helpful in your studies.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
hammerandnails:
Kat, I guess that perhaps I am trying to hold on to some old stuff.
And what you are telling me I know is the truth, but I cannot reconcile in my mind
yet why the bible uses different words for spirit and soul.
That is true throughout the Old and New Testament.
If they are one and the same, why not use one word only, why separate words.
Please forgive me, I am going through the trial of my life, and some days I don't know
my name if you ask me. I am desperately right now trying to grab on to something because I am
in utter darkness. Job gives me comfort. Isn't that crazy???
Blessings,
Ariel
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