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Spirit and Soul
Amrhrasach:
For those interested here's another post that went into some good detail and varying views and understandings.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,769.0.html
hammerandnails:
Dear KAT, here I am again!
Happy to hear from me??
As I revisited this issue, and though I understand what you and Ray are saying about man being
2 part, namely body and spirit, and the soul being the product of the 2, I am with you this far.
Again, how you can explain 1Tes.5:23???
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole
SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
I am NOT contradicting what you are saying, I am only in need of your explanation of WHY
Paul wrote it like that?????
Somewhere in Ray's writings, he stated that everything in the scripture is of significance!!!!
I am simply asking what is the explanation behind Paul inspired by the HS listed these three components? ???
Please help me understand.
If this is a big issue, as I notice that it was in the link that Amrhrsach had posted, I am willing
to drop it.
Thank you again for your patience, kindness and wisdom.
Ariel
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 06, 2008, 10:39:59 AM ---Dear KAT, here I am again!
Happy to hear from me??
As I revisited this issue, and though I understand what you and Ray are saying about man being
2 part, namely body and spirit, and the soul being the product of the 2, I am with you this far.
Again, how you can explain 1Tes.5:23???
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole
SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
I am NOT contradicting what you are saying, I am only in need of your explanation of WHY
Paul wrote it like that?????
Somewhere in Ray's writings, he stated that everything in the scripture is of significance!!!!
I am simply asking what is the explanation behind Paul inspired by the HS listed these three components? ???
Please help me understand.
If this is a big issue, as I notice that it was in the link that Amrhrsach had posted, I am willing
to drop it.
Thank you again for your patience, kindness and wisdom.
Ariel
--- End quote ---
Spirit
Gk. pneuma
the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
Soul
Gk. psychē (does this word look familiar?)
the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions
Body
Gk. sōma
the body both of men or animals
Paul states he prays that we, our whole self, be preserved blameless. Paul stated these three because 1. God created OUR body from the dust 2. God gave US the breath of life (spirit) and 3. WE are living souls. Man is not a 3 part being...Paul no where says man is a 3 part being...he only lists what he prays to be preserved blameless:
Spirit: The breath of life...the life we live to be preserved blameless
Body: Our body, the dust of the earth...to be preserved blameless
Soul: Us, living souls...to be preserved blameless.
Try not to look for more than what's there because you'll wrap your mind around countless speculative issues which you'll eventually find out do not edify you in the least. All of us have done this in times past and even some on occasion fall back into it. It's a road that leads to a dead end...you may not completely understand yet but many members here can and will testify to falling into this carnal activity.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Kat:
Hi Ariel,
I don't think Paul was saying these as separate components, he is talking to believers here and he is just covering all the bases with that statement.
1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
He says "your whole spirit" pneuma; implying breath, the spirit of life. "Soul" psuchē; which also imply the life, but that would also include the mind and heart. "Body," I believe Paul was indicating your physical being or hoping they would substain from sinning with their body. Because he goes on to say to "be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." I believe they had hope that Christ would return in their lifetime. Anyway that just my take on this.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
ScarletWren:
This all can be confusing. I also believe that we become a living creature, or soul with the combination of the body and spirit. But why indeed would Paul seem to separate these components and want our "breath?" to be blameless?
One thought I have, probably not very valid, is that when the Holy Spirit awakens us to our need of a savior and the filth that our life has been no matter how many 'good' works we may have produced in our own perceived 'righteousness', then a war begins. That one that Paul refers to when he says he wants to do what is right but ends up doing what he knows isn't right. So perhaps that is what he refers to, that at some point both "wills" within us will come into union and we will stop fighting to get the carnal desires. If we are functioning properly, most humans develop a conscience of sorts and try to live up to that, but then the Holy Spirit steps in and the real battle begins. There does seem to be more than one person inside at times. But there is only one "me" inside there, and God will work it out to His satisfaction, for I am His workmanship and He has a vested interest in me. I don't fully understand the relationship between God and His son or why sometimes the scripture writers referred to our soul and spirit the way they do, but I know that if and when the Father wills for me to know, it will be so clear. But there's no harm in asking questions, you never know when something someone might say might cause the lightbulb to glow in the dark.
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