> General Discussions
Having Trouble Understanding the "Law"
Steve Crook:
The rest of the laws are manmade, added laws that basically let the Jews "do their thing". Man kept adding, but never was satisfied with what our Father said were the "rules" of the game.
Food does not defile a man, and homosexuality was a named offense and an abominable sin, so it leads me to believe that since Christ Is, was, and will be, that homosexuality is still an abomination to our Lord, because he never stated otherwise. If he law brings us to Christ, then we must have already at least seen that homosexuality is stated to be a sin under the law.
I guess, in my mind, I can seperate the 2 simply because the unclean food was "corrected" by Christ when he told us all that food ISN'T the issue, but the HEART is. The sin of homosexuality versus "eating unclean food". It is kind of like when Christ says a "Verily, verily"....I try to listen. If he states certain guidelines to follow, then I go with that. If, however, a specific sin was not something Christ spoke about, then I know he doesn't change and sin is still sin.
I'm just trying to let you know where I am coming from with my thinking. I've posted my feelings on homosexuality here in the forums, so I won't go into it here, but my general feelings are that homsexuality is a SIN, as ALL sin is sin. It isn't any different than any other sin in my mind. One for all, all for one...comes to my mind. However, it isn't a sin to eat food that nourishes ones body. From the begining of creation man had preference and control over all the beasts of the field and sea (us being the biggest beast on the block), so taking the whole scripture in helps me work it out in my thinking.
Lol, I don't know if I make sense to anyone else, but all that is clear in my mind....haha, just not articulated very well in typing it out. Sorry for that..
God bless
eutychus:
what foods to eat are common sense
i love shrimp, i eat it bout 3 time a year or so, sometimes more.
i like to have blts every now and then.
heres the rub.
DONT SERVE MEAT TO A VEGETARIAN.
LOVE IS THE KEY.
check this out!
Barnabas 10:9 Concerning meats then Moses received three decrees to this effect and uttered them in a spiritual sense; but they accepted them according to the lust of the flesh, as though they referred to eating
link to smilies for scaryfeet
http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm
eutychus:
--- Quote from: Steve Crook ---The rest of the laws are manmade, added laws that basically let the Jews "do their thing". Man kept adding, but never was satisfied with what our Father said were the "rules" of the game.
Food does not defile a man, and homosexuality was a named offense and an abominable sin, so it leads me to believe that since Christ Is, was, and will be, that homosexuality is still an abomination to our Lord, because he never stated otherwise. If he law brings us to Christ, then we must have already at least seen that homosexuality is stated to be a sin under the law.
I guess, in my mind, I can seperate the 2 simply because the unclean food was "corrected" by Christ when he told us all that food ISN'T the issue, but the HEART is. The sin of homosexuality versus "eating unclean food". It is kind of like when Christ says a "Verily, verily"....I try to listen. If he states certain guidelines to follow, then I go with that. If, however, a specific sin was not something Christ spoke about, then I know he doesn't change and sin is still sin.
I'm just trying to let you know where I am coming from with my thinking. I've posted my feelings on homosexuality here in the forums, so I won't go into it here, but my general feelings are that homsexuality is a SIN, as ALL sin is sin. It isn't any different than any other sin in my mind. One for all, all for one...comes to my mind. However, it isn't a sin to eat food that nourishes ones body. From the begining of creation man had preference and control over all the beasts of the field and sea (us being the biggest beast on the block), so taking the whole scripture in helps me work it out in my thinking.
Lol, I don't know if I make sense to anyone else, but all that is clear in my mind....haha, just not articulated very well in typing it out. Sorry for that..
God bless
--- End quote ---
hey steve greetings,
what do you think of this?
1Cr 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
whats your spiritual take?
peace brother
chuckt
rocky:
For me,
As Christ's one's, we still have a command to live by. It is a command written on our heart, a change in heart, , LOVE. This new heart dictates everything we do. It flows from in to out. All actions flowing from us are as a result of, not in order to obtain.
Love makes one crazy, love makes people do crazy stuff, it'a an internal desire. Love is our internal code written on our hearts.
1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment.
1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vain glory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1Jo 3:7 My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous:
1Jo 3:8 he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
For me, one can follow every 10 commandment perfectly and still sin by doing that, and eat only certain foods and still sin by doing that, if their heart is not Christ.
But one can not love others with true Christ love and sin. If we are loving others, we are not sinning. This is only possible from a heart change.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
1Jo 3:11 For this is the message which ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another:
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not abideth in death.
But we all sin (don't love) at times, our new heart sees it, and tells us of it, and praise God we know that
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
And praise God we know that sin is not our true heart/nature, that it is the flesh sinning not our heart.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise.
Rom 7:20 But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind (the mind of Christ), and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.
Because of love in our heart, our new nature, we will have a desire to confess the sin in our members/flesh
For me, it is all summed up in Love.
Harryfeat:
Excellent post Rocky. It really resonated with me.
I wonder what our thinking would be like if we grew up with a "bible" called the doctrine of Christ and his teachings. A book that had only what it believed that Christ said in it.
Clearly Christ and his apostles were raised as Jews. Some if not all of the apostles were very famiiliar with scripture including but not limited to that which became what we call the old testament.
When you read what the apostles wrote, you can see the direct correlation with the old testament details that they grew up with. Where else would they even come up with the word like "abominable" :lol:
As far as the additional 603 laws, unlike his apostles, Christ did not pick and choose and list out specific sins. His message was one of love of the Father and our neighbors. If we love the things of this world we miss the mark.
Immorality both sexual and otherwise. is a subject all its own. It changes based on what society you are in. What one believes is sinful another does not necessarily believe. The most relevant operative message from Christ is dont feed meat to a vegetarian.
I was brought up to believe that adultery, homosexuality, fornication, masturbation, etc. was a mortal sin. I was also told that I would go to hell for those and various and sundry other things too numerous to mention.
I don't believe in hell now and as I am going through my individual search for truth, I discarded quite a lot of baggage that doesn't fit the doctrine of Christ.
To answer your question, Euty, my take on the spiritual meaning of fornication is basically any overindulgence of one's own body, be it sexual gratification, drugs, food, or anything else that leads us closer to love of the things of this world over our love of the Father.
It my opinion that Christ purposely usually steered away from talking about individual sins and instead focused on telling us that if we get too caught up in things of this world, we subordinate our love the Father, which is not in keeping with Christ's doctrine of love.
feat
edited to clarify I was talking about the 603 laws in addition to the ten commandments.
ps thnks euty
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version