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Having Trouble Understanding the "Law"
chrissiela:
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.[/list:u]
the words "they are commanded" is in italics and not words that are taken from the text from which the translation originated, but were 'added'.
And we are indeed supposed to submit to our husbands, as is indicated in Ephesians. But he does refer to the law, saying 'as also saith the law', so it must be in the law somewhere??
Here are some other translations of the same verse:
(CLV) Let the women in the ecclesias hush, for it is not permitted to them to speak, but let them be subject, according as the law, also is saying."
(LITV) Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not allowed to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as also the Law says.
(YLT) Your women in the assemblies let them be silent, for it hath not been permitted to them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith;[/list:u]
It is the same word (for submit yourselves) in:
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
G5293
ὑποτάσσω
hupotassōhoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
Chrissie
Daniel:
Ever notice any connection to being silent, dumb, unable to speak, or mouths stopped in relation to the law Chrissie?
Ever look at Zechariah HUSBAND of Elizabeth?
He was not allowed to speak, its speaks elsewhere concerning the WOMAN being bound of the law of her HUSBAND (who was an OLD MAN)
See anything in that?
Daniel
mustardseed:
The masses of Christianity (Babylon) are under the law. Just ask them. But what is the real purpose of the law?
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
THe masses of Christianity is still under the school master because they have not come to that faith which takes them on to maturity. They desire to stay under the law. Speak to them of the things of the Spirit, and they call you a heretic.
Gal 4:1 Now I say, [That] the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
So what does all of this mean to us who are mature?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Beloved:
This topic has gone all over the place where do I even start. ??? Hold on to your socks.
What is it with the 603 ??? I think you are referring to the 613 Mitzvot.
They even went so far as to tie 613 knots tied on their prayer shawls fringes. There are 248 Positive and 365 Negative Commandments.
Give them a break...They added these mitzvots because they were so...o fearful of disobeying the Law that they put these extra hedges around the law with the thought of making it harder to break the Main ones.
Regarding the Food laws, it is well know that many these laws were probably helpful to Israel surviving at the time. Remember everthing that happened was God’s Perfect Will.
Eating Pork was associated with Trichinosis, Shrimp and other bottom dwellers and eat dead stuff as well as many of the animals and birds on the foods off limits list. These would be loaded with bacteria and would have killed people in the day of no refrigeration. There are many other health benefits and examples.
I was nearly knocked off my seat when at Johns Hopkins (an extremely liberal institution) the School of Public Health and Hygeine stated that the institution of the Sabbath was The most significant health policy in history. Without it people throughout the world would have been worked like animal 7 days a week until till they dropped. Even the animals got a break with these mizvot. My God is Good.
Regarding Homosexuality and the Law. Oh well here I go. I hope I do not shock anyone.
Sexuality is always Spiritual in the Bible. Christ is the Groom and yes some of you guys out there are going to be the Bride. Throughout the Bible, God’s use of Gender are very specific.
Spiritual adultery occurs when the church becomes intimate with any one or any thing other than God. Sex is a type / shadow. Remember Paul said there is no male or female in heaven. Christ implied it when he was talking about the divorce laws concerning the women with seven husbands.
Homosexuality (male and female) in the physical would certainly be an abomination to God because it totally goes against God’s basic (spiritual) plan when he created sex. All sex (outside marriage) is all about defilement of the Spirit
It would be like the elect engaging in similar activity (since they are the body, the first fruits and sons who spiritually represent males as individuals and collectively as a chaste bride).
Spiritually remember Christ is the husband and mankind will be the bride. The elect are His body and as part of the groom will help bring in the rest of the bridal party. Did any of you catch the phrase Cildren of the Bride chamber in Mark 2:19 and Luke 5:34?
(Mar 2:19 KJVR) And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
(Mar 13:22 KJVR) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
The elect (spiritual males ) however will however be virgins and know not women (spiritual females not physical)
(Rev 14:4 KJVR) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(Remember Peter was married and therefore was not a physical virgin, but as a new born spiritual male he is a new creature and with Christ in Him ....knows not any spiritual woman ).
It is hard to explain all of this in a post but I hope you see some of the points I am trying to make. I am presently writing a study on Genders in the Word and did not want to paste too much Scripture right now.
To Daniel ( sorry I do not how to clip a quote from a post )
Ever look at Zechariah HUSBAND of Elizabeth?
He was not allowed to speak, its speaks elsewhere concerning the WOMAN being bound of the law of her HUSBAND (who was an OLD MAN)
See anything in that?
Yes and it too will seem weird but Zecharias not Zachariah was the spiritual woman and questioned his Spiritual Husband who was God and Zacharias was made dumb (basically told the women to keep quiet in the Church… this case it was the temple).
Really all of the “:spiritual women� in the old testament Job, various prophets etc shut their face holes when they realized exactly “Who� they were trying to converse with in the physical
They were both “old� people Daniel. Old Elizabeth was also a “spiritual woman� and both physically and spiritually barren.
In closing I like to think of the law is like the spiritual Fig Leafs and The Lamb is the Robe of Righteousness. Stop arguing with these fools and stay dressed.
The ELECT It's a Spitual BOY
Beloved
Daniel:
Beloved good post,
I'll often "ask questions" to stimulate thought leaving room for another to come in and add. Its a blessing when that happens. I'm not the preachy type, its just my way :lol: Thanks for adding to the thread. I saw the very thing you caught in Elizabeth and her hub, Dumb unable to speak, even as a woman under the law of her husband.
You wrote,
The ELECT It's a Spitual BOY
I agree a renewed youth :lol:
Filled days of an Old man. The exchange (at the same time) between a child and a Son. The Second Child "in His Stead "being Christ in you. :D
Daniel
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