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Marlene:
Hello, I agree that Spiritual correction is painfull. I know that hurts more then anything has ever hurt me. But, with the correction comes great joy now. I can see what he has done . He has made me what I could never be on my own. Try as I might, I could not do it. I never want to boast of it.
He has his plan and he will do it. Everything is good for the purpose he planned it to be. In the end Christ will be all in all. I do believe the elect goes through it now. The rest of Humanity will go through a process like we did here. I know, that some have suffered worse trials then me. I know some have not. But, our Father knows how to correct us. I speaking for myself , know that seeing who we are inside shocks us and it hurts and at first we may fight it. But, if we are his Elect he will bring us to the finish line. If, that process has to be in the second death. I again think he will give to each as is needed to make them give up self. He will burn them all out. That, is making us into his Image. We will have his Character the Elect and the rest of Humanity. I feel from what I see that he judges and knows what it takes. Some, in the rest of Humanity might need more and some less. Only, he knows how to do it.
In His Love,
Marlene
I love knowing it is all his doing. Because, he showed me over and over in my falls that I cannot obey with out him. We are not Independent of him. It all depends on him. I believe we all see that , who have come out of Babylons hold. He choose to show mercy on some now. The rest in his time.
In His Love,
Marlene
David:
--- Quote from: Richard D on November 16, 2008, 01:01:18 PM ---David.
Although I read in another thread that those who are not saved in this life will be raised with a fleshly body and have to live this type of life over a second time. I guess that would be the real agony.
In God’s Love. Richard.
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1 Cor 15:44 It is sewn a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Kat:
Hi David,
--- Quote ---Some teach that the elect go through this process that I have just described, but those who come up to judgment go through much much worse in the LOF. To me that's just a watered down version of hell.
I still think a complete understanding of what goes on in the LOF is misunderstood by many.
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Yes the lake of fire is hard to really understand how it will be. But there are a few Scripture that I think can help us understand it a bit more. Thinking about John the Baptist and what Christ said about him.
Mat 11:11 "Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Christ said, "among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist," so he will not be in the first resurrection, because it says "he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." What will the lake of fire be like for him?
Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
v. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
I can't help but think for those that are not rebellious and do not resist God, such as John the Baptist, that they will go through the lake of fire process with relatively little pain and suffering "few stripes." The lake of fire is going to be a process to bring about righteousness.
Isa 26:9 With my soul I desired You in the night; yea, with my spirit within me I will seek You early; for when Your judgments are in the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness.
Now it is true that there will be those that will have to be purged of many false doctrines and a multitude of character flaws, before they can began to learn righteousness. I do believe in the lake of fire God will show His harshness "many stripes," with those who deserve it. Likewise He will show mercy "few stripes" to those that deserve it.
Eze 7:27 "The king will mourn,
The prince will be clothed with desolation,
And the hands of the common people will tremble.
I will do to them according to their way,
And according to what they deserve I will judge them;
Then they shall know that I am the LORD!"'
Maybe that the Elect are in such a corrupt world, God is blessing them much because of such unfavorable circumstances.
John 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Being chosen in this world seems to be especially difficult for believers and God blesses them likewise. This will not be the case in the lake of fire as Christ will be ruling on earth and He will bring the world out of all this corruption and immorality. Just some things to think about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Richard D:
Hi Kat.
Kat, I have a lot of respect for you, I really do sister but the notion of John the Baptist being thrown into the lake of fire I cannot comprehend. John the Baptist was kind of a righteous man you know.
What’s John the Baptist crime in life may I ask. He ate locust and wild honey and was a Godly man who lived in the desert and never had strong drink or chase women around but was a good man and a faithful servant of the Lord and besides Jesus was his cousin too you know.
If that’s how Jesus treats kin folk what in God’s creation do you think he will do to us may I ask. I always believed that scripture to mean what it says, the greatest person on earth is less than the least in heaven which is only telling us that the least part in heaven is better than the greatest part of earth.
If John the Baptist is not in the first resurrection then I see no hope for anyone because John was a Godly man and so then if that is what god is going to do to John then I being worst than John will be their too. :(
In God’s Love. Richard.
Ninny:
Kat,
I am with Richard on this one I don't understand that either. I thought that verse means even though John the Baptist was the greatest of men you don't have to be great on this world to be great in God's kingdom. ???
Kathy :)
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