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Marlene:
So, since I was a church member and I was feeling tithe was wrong and I prayed to God in my closet and wanted to obey him , that makes me wicked to the core. Just pray tell me what do I have to do to become good. I thought Jesus said, no man is good, Only his Father is good. Also, I thought we were all subject with vanity.  The way I see it no one should boast. I for one won't  judge any of there hearts. I think just because I found truth does not make me any better.

I do believe when you have truth you will be held more acountable. Now, God is a fair judge will he hold the blind more accountable, if he chooses who knows truth and who doesn't. Obviously maybe we should talk more about the Second, Lake of Fire.  I know Ray does not even think he is chosen. Its all up to God so who knows who it will be.

In His Love,
Marlene

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: Marlene on November 22, 2008, 07:47:28 PM ---So, since I was a church member and I was feeling tithe was wrong and I prayed to God in my closet and wanted to obey him , that makes me wicked to the core. Just pray tell me what do I have to do to become good. I thought Jesus said, no man is good, Only his Father is good. Also, I thought we were all subject with vanity.  The way I see it no one should boast. I for one won't  judge any of there hearts. I think just because I found truth does not make me any better.

I do believe when you have truth you will be held more acountable. Now, God is a fair judge will he hold the blind more accountable, if he chooses who knows truth and who doesn't. Obviously maybe we should talk more about the Second, Lake of Fire.  I know Ray does not even think he is chosen. Its all up to God so who knows who it will be.

In His Love,
Marlene


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Who are you responding to? I didn't read any comments from anyone that would prompt this response...or are you just speaking your mind to no one in particular? No offense just trying to keep up with this thread.


Marques

Marlene:
Marques, You told me those who are blind have a wicked heart. So, this means until he unblinds them they will have wicked hearts? Well, what I am asking you is do you mean while I was in Babylon  I had a wicked heart. I did not belive in tithe. I thought we were to give as God dealt with our heart. I was still in Babylon but did not believe I had to give a tithe. Also, I did not believe in trinity. But, I did belive in hell at the time. I hated hell and thats what drove me out of there. When, I saw there was no Hell I did not want to go back. But, I know while in Babylon god did some things for me. He answered somprayers that had to be all from God. My husband and I tried to get a house a couple of times. We could not afford the  payments for some of the houses and then we applied for a farmers home and we made $500 doallars too much. He was working himself over trying to figure out how we could make $500 dollars less. I said, honey you have yourself so worked up. My husband never gets worked up over things. So, I said, why dont we pray for what we need. I said , Like a house with one more bedroom and a garage. Well, we gave up on the hunt. A few years latter his Great-Grandmother passed away and his Grandmother bought us her house. Guess, what it had. One bedroom and  a garage. What, I am saying you think it is impossible to be anything but wicked while in Babylon's churches. Now, I have become disabled and if we had bought one of those homes we would have been in a mess.

What, I am trying to say is it possible not to be wicked to the core and be in Babylon? So, are all there prayers in vain? He has answered many prayers in my life time, while blind to all his truths. What, is your opinion on this. I have not seen just wicked people in those chruches. I mean they are blind, so that makes them wicked. God says none are good. So, is it my imagination God answered prayers while I was in Babylon.

In His Love,
Marlene

Marlene:
Marques, You said, "That those blinded still have a wicked heart". Now, are you telling me all in Babylon churches are not able to have the Holy Spirit live in them and guide them. If, they pray to him and believe, how can we know. Obviously, the Holy Spirit brings them out of church. But, I know some people in churches that really show love. I have had Love given to me by some in those churches. So, you are telling me all there time in those churches were in vain. Do you think any of them could while in there are being guided by the Holy Spirit. While, in those churches I have been showed things that without God in my life I could not have known. Also, he has answered many prayers in my life. I was not ever asking for my wants. I asked for needs. I knew even in those churches it was not about giving to get back. So, does that mean I was lucky and never felt that way or was the Holy Spirit Guiding me. Also, can we really judge all there hearts. I mean, if not for him I would not be here. More could come out. I mean he loves the sinner there is no Hell. They are blind and he choose that. We were all made in vanity, not just the ones in Babylon Churches. I just feel that is Gods judgement not ours. I will not post anymore. Obviously, I don't want to cause trouble. But, I think Love means more then anything. I just think we should be nicer. God has been to us.

In His Love,
Marlene

Ninny:
Marlene,
Like I said before God will be the Judge. Right now on this earth God has to be the Judge of who is and who isn't His. I don't see that we can do anything beyond discerning for our own life what is right and what is not. We all came out of something and we all were led of God. I have always believed that God put me where He wanted me at any given time. Even when I was in that church I talked about in the beginning of this thread I was led there by God He taught me so many things there and when He was ready for me to move on He took me out.

One of the ways God moved me out was by letting me see the pettiness of all the money collecting, there were other things too, and each time I learned something about it what was wrong I realized God was leading me to the door! I have no desire to go back to any of that ever again.

We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, and the heart is exceedingly wicked. Jer. 17:9 again.
But we can't say because we were ignorant of the truth even when we were faithfully following after God we were far from God! Oh, no! believe me I believed in the power of prayer back then as much as I do now and it's like Ray has said, if you are praying for God's will to be done, it will! If you are seeking God's will you are doing what He wants you to do! You may make mistakes along the way, but God is in control. You never pray in vain unless you are praying outside of God's will.

The ones who are leaders of these churches who are leading people in a direction opposite of God's will are the ones Jesus was directing his scathing remarks to. AND in His doing that it opens our eyes to see what their sin was so that we would be able to recognize these deceptions when God opens our eyes and our minds to these things now. I'm not sure I am eloquent enough to really get this idea across.
In Love,
Kathy :)

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