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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Marlene on November 22, 2008, 08:58:02 PM ---Marques, You told me those who are blind have a wicked heart. So, this means until he unblinds them they will have wicked hearts? Well, what I am asking you is do you mean while I was in Babylon I had a wicked heart.
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Marlene,
Whoa, whoa, whoa...I think you misunderstood me. I only responded to your comment about those being in church having a 'good heart'. I was just showing you from scripture that no one has a good heart, in or out of church. In church, the members always like to say things like that: God know your heart or this person has a good heart. It sounds good to the flesh but is a total contradiction to the scriptures. No one has a good heart...it's just the way it is.
Now grace, which is the divine influence of God upon your heart, changes our wicked, carnal hearts. This happens through judgment, starting with the House of God now.
--- Quote from: Marlene on November 22, 2008, 08:58:02 PM ---What, I am saying you think it is impossible to be anything but wicked while in Babylon's churches.
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Whether in Babylon or not, everyone's heart is wicked until the grace of God changes it. Wicked may seem like a strong word, but our heart is not set to do the will of the Father until He changes it. No matter how many 'good deeds' we claim to do.
--- Quote from: Marlene on November 22, 2008, 08:58:02 PM ---What, I am trying to say is it possible not to be wicked to the core and be in Babylon? So, are all there prayers in vain? He has answered many prayers in my life time, while blind to all his truths. What, is your opinion on this. I have not seen just wicked people in those chruches. I mean they are blind, so that makes them wicked. God says none are good. So, is it my imagination God answered prayers while I was in Babylon.
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Isa 26:10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.
I don't speak on terms of levels of wickedness like 'wicked to the core' or 'somewhat evil'. Evil is evil. And many of the idols of the heart that members of Babylon hold onto instead of seeking the will of the Father are evil.
Yes there prayers are in vain...Christ says to pray 'in My name'. That doesn't just mean literally saying the word Jesus. It means standing on and believing everything His name stands for. Members of the church don't do that. They pray to a jesus who is NOT the savior of the world, only a few. So yes, there prayers are in vain as that jesus does not exist. It doesn't matter if 10 million dollars falls out of the sky after praying to this fake jesus who only saves a few. It is only part of the delusion to keep one in the dark.
Matt 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Only one group of individuals on this earth do anything in 'Jesus name'. And while Christ calls these deeds 'wonderful works', He then states that they are 'workers of iniquity' and that He 'never knew them'. So yes, there prayers are in vain as it takes obedience to truly worship God.
--- Quote from: Marlene on November 22, 2008, 08:58:02 PM ---Now, I have become disabled and if we had bought one of those homes we would have been in a mess.
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Not to make light of your situation, but which is greater...the house that you received when you belonged to Babylon OR the spiritual house that Ray has taught you to build on the foundation of Jesus Christ?
Hope this helps,
Marques
P. S. You can PM sometime if I need to explain more clearly...I was never trying to say those in Babylon are worse or that we are any better...just stating that worship without obedience is in vain.
Marlene:
Kathy, Yes, you answered my question. I know thats for God to Judge. I know there are lots of Pastors and things who do know, and many who do not know.
Yes, I am like you. I believe God has directed my life all the time. This was about Leaders, but I was wondering about the blind. Being we were once blind.
I mean I know God answered prayers of mine. I also, know he corrected me when I sinned. But, I do know now when I go to him I worship him in Spirit and Truth. I no longer believe in Hell and this really shows his love. I do remember as a child reading he was saviour of the world and I never thought any different untill I got into some Churches that teach Hell. . Well, thanks. I guess I was confusing some others.Thank God you understood what I was trying to say.
I don't like to seem difficult. Thanks you helped alot.
In His Love,
Marlene
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Marlene on November 22, 2008, 09:17:47 PM ---Marques, You said, "That those blinded still have a wicked heart". Now, are you telling me all in Babylon churches are not able to have the Holy Spirit live in them and guide them. If, they pray to him and believe, how can we know. Obviously, the Holy Spirit brings them out of church. But, I know some people in churches that really show love. I have had Love given to me by some in those churches. So, you are telling me all there time in those churches were in vain. Do you think any of them could while in there are being guided by the Holy Spirit. While, in those churches I have been showed things that without God in my life I could not have known. Also, he has answered many prayers in my life. I was not ever asking for my wants. I asked for needs. I knew even in those churches it was not about giving to get back. So, does that mean I was lucky and never felt that way or was the Holy Spirit Guiding me. Also, can we really judge all there hearts. I mean, if not for him I would not be here. More could come out. I mean he loves the sinner there is no Hell. They are blind and he choose that. We were all made in vanity, not just the ones in Babylon Churches. I just feel that is Gods judgement not ours. I will not post anymore. Obviously, I don't want to cause trouble. But, I think Love means more then anything. I just think we should be nicer. God has been to us.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hello Marlene,
Sorry, my last response was before I saw this comment as well.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Christ leads His disciples into all truth, not truth mixed with the doctrines of man like the church teaches. My last comment answered your prayer question.
Christ calls these same people that you state showed so much love: 'workers of iniquity'. I'm not one to argue with the words of Christ.
Marques
Richard D:
Marques.
One question maybe a few, where are you coming from these days may I ask? Tell me, are you the elect of God and no one knows it but you? Who are you to judge anyone whether they are in the churches or in a barroom? Have you through much learning become more righteous than everyone else?
Did God call you or have you elected to choose God? Do you truly know another’s heart? Now I see sister Marlene does not even want to post anymore because of your ridicule. How do you feel about that?
Did Ray teach us that all people who go to church are condemned by God? I used to go to church did you? How about drug addicts and alcoholics do they have a one way ticket to the lake of fire? Or what about the prostitute who turns tricks to support her children?
God caused humanity to suffer vanity so which one out of humanity do you wish to condemn? You need to lighten up brother. You know when they brought the women who was caught in adultery before Christ which was a stoning offence he said let him here who is without sin cast the first stone . What would have you said Marques?
Marlene, I hope you do not stop posting here, remember even Jesus said to peter get behind me Satan. That’s right Marlene Satan talks through those who believe and know so much about the things of God but have a heart of stone when it comes to a brother or sister.
Marlene, remember when Eve saw that the tree of good and evil was good for knowledge she went for it because of the pride of life. Marlene, I’ll tell you what I heard a long time ago, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck my sister and don’t you run from it because that’s exactly what Satan wants you to do but you just tell him you been forgiven and he got no business here.
God bless you sister and please don’t ever feel you cannot post, I felt like that only a day or two ago.
In God’s Love. Richard.
Marlene:
Well, then it must be speaking of all people in it. Leaders and followers. Well, he is the Potter and we are the Clay, but I do believe he will want us to judge in Love like he does. I believe his word does state that those who understand the most will be held accountable for more. Since, we know the Truth we will be accountable for more. Now, that can make you fear and tremble. All, we can do is pray like it depends on him, cause it does. They, don't know all truths because he has not decided to show him his truths yet. We never know he still could some. I never knew he was going to with me. He will judge them they will see truth and learn how to walk in those truths. I am just happy that there is no Hell. One, never knows until that day who is chosen. I just know he has put the want in me to run a race. Its all up to him. I just choose to show love even to the lost. He went after the one that was lost.
In His Love,
Marlene
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