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Deborah-Leigh:
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I don't have a church. The world has churches, and Satan has his church (called in Revelation "The Synagogue of Satan), but I belong to none of them. The Church of Jesus Christ, the Church of the Living God, can only be joined by being SPIRITUALLY BAPTIZED INTO THE DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST. All spiritually converted people who forsake the glitter of this world's philosophies and materialism, are members of Christ's Church. I do claim to have a ministry in that Church.
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People ask me about "where to go to church" almost on a daily basis. They know that their church and all other churches that they know of, do not teach the truth (worse: they teach lies and heresy). And so they think that maybe I know of a church a few blocks from where their from or a few miles from their home that does teach all of the truths of God. Sorry, there is not such thing that I am aware of.
If there were churches scattered through BABYLON THE GREAT WHORE, then there would be no need for God to admonish those whom He is choosing, to "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE" (Rev. 18:4). Are we to just come out of her spiritually, but remain good social friends with them on a weekly basis?
Church is not now and never was, a physical building to congregate in to worship God. Could all the hundreds of thousands of Israelites congregate inside the tiny little tabernacle in the wilderness? Could ALL JUDEA congregate in the tiny Temple in Jeruslem every sabbath? The synagogues became corrupted and the churches today are corrupted. So where do you want to go? If you want fellowship why not foin a social club and keep the false religion out of your fellowship.
Jesus taught us that we are to worship God in spirit and in truth, not in this mountain or in Jerusalem, or in a building, or another other "place" that is corrupted. I can't tell people what to do. If "christian fellowship" means more to them than "godly worship," then I guess they just have to keep looking.
Being a follower of Jesus Christ was never designed to be a "feel good religion" as many christian churches promise if you join their particular tents on living a worldly life for Jesus. I trully never miss, "CHURCH"! I "go to church" every time I open my Bible."
God be with you,
Ray
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You don't need a church when you learn that YOU ARE THE CHURCH. God is wherever you are, so don't feel deserted.
God be with you,
Ray
Beloved:
It is funny that so many people after they read Ray's material realize that everything that they thought they knew was wrong.
Why is that the same people when then come to the forum, seldom realize that they still have so much babylon baggage with them. They seem more interested in exponding on their own beliefs and feelings.
All of us are here to fellowship, we are here to exhort and correct also. I am always grateful to someone who points out where my thinking is in error.
The inabilty to take constructive criticism is demonstartion that pride exists, even if you feel the criticism is unwarrented this can demonstrates resistance and lack of humility. If we let our self esteem and self confidence rule then there can be no growth.
Many people that come here are more expereinced with Rays work...They have been here for years ....not months. This is where we discuss Rays work. General Discussion is not a place for personal blogs. Things like that belong under Testimonies or off topics.
I really think that Marques has shown great patience. Deborah even provided Rays stand on the subject.
No offence is intended, but if offense is taken by any of these comments then only you know why and need to examine that.
2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
beloved
Ricky:
Yup this is the place for the truth, they say you need some humor on the way to the lake of fire, you might wanna bring some kfc with you just in case you get to the lake of fire on Sunday and thier kfc`s are closed. Might be the same ones that believe God is going to give them thier very own planet to operate if they are the elect. I do not believe all the people here are of a like mind. I did not know the lake of fire is just a joke from God. Does not matter where you go here on the form, you will learn that same nonsense.
Ricky P.S. and please dont pm me with your anger again, because next time I will post it. If you have something to say to me, say it, and get over it.
Ninny:
Sorry friends,
In my original post I was just trying to state an observation I had about Ray's paper. I was commenting on the reason Jesus was speaking to the leaders because they do much to deceive the flocks, the tithe was my main thing. It was an observation. Sometimes I read things in Ray's writings that really speak to me about something that I brought with me out of the churches I've been in. I read the material, study the scriptures and ask God to forgive me and remove that thing from me.
It seems I must have started a bad thing here. Isn't this board to share what we have learned from what Ray teaches? That's what I was doing, but it makes me very sad to see what has happened here! I am too simple minded to do this because to me our salvation is not really complicated, Jesus did all the work we now obey his commands without question. I know it REALLY isn't that simple, but in a way it is. Jesus said his command aren't grievous, but we are making them so sometimes.
I'm sorry again for doing this. I won't post on this board again, I will stick with testimonies and off topics where things won't be so offensive. Please forgive me. I love you all :'(
Kathy
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Ricky on November 23, 2008, 09:29:49 AM ---Yup this is the place for the truth, they say you need some humor on the way to the lake of fire, you might wanna bring some kfc with you just in case you get to the lake of fire on Sunday and thier kfc`s are closed. Might be the same ones that believe God is going to give them thier very own planet to operate if they are the elect. I do not believe all the people here are of a like mind. I did not know the lake of fire is just a joke from God. Does not matter where you go here on the form, you will learn that same nonsense.
Ricky P.S. and please dont pm me with your anger again, because next time I will post it. If you have something to say to me, say it, and get over it.
--- End quote ---
Hi Ricky,
I agree that there is a spirit of contention and strife here from time to time, where are the peacemakers, not the one's who might call themself a peacemaker but who do actively seek understanding, a common ground and speak softly without pride and ego being front and center. One of the things that can really fuel the fire is when folks make a statement that is a sarcastic put down without any basis in truth or reality.
If we perceive carnal attitudes are manifesting themselves do we add to the carnality with our own intemperate egotistical statements? Do we run and go away or do we pray for those who are presently dissatisfied perhaps even suffering? Do we attempt to improve the atmosphere or do we descend into hate and self righteousness? Do we choose sides by picking out any sentence or phrase made by someone "in the other camp" that we might scorn, mock and accuse endearing ourselves to others who might glory in division? To what end are these thoughts and actions, what might be the end result if everyone went forward with what they felt was right rather than seeking His will first and living up to the promises made to Him when things are going well with us?
It is quite easy to be of good cheer interacting with those around us when we feel good but how about when we are going through a stressful time of it, do we depend on God to strengthen us to rise above our circumstances or do we attempt to spread the misery?
I will be honest and direct with you Ricky, your seething discontentment is very evident and I for one do not appreciate it, it reeks of self justification, none of us are perfect but some are seeking the purification that leads to perfection, was this quote from you a fruit of His Spirit or from the spirit of another?
I do pray for your peace of heart and spirit,
Joe
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