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Scriptures Disproving Free Will
Samson:
Dear Forum,
I thought it would be beneficial to review and mention Scriptures that
disprove we have "Free Will". I have a printed copy of all four parts(A,B,C,D)
of Ray's Free Will Series and will quote directly from that, indicating the part,
page number and paragraph for all to benefit. Please feel free to add your
comments and Scriptural selections from Rays material to enhance this Topic.
I will use the New King James Version for my Scriptural Selections.
GOD CAUSES LAWS(Part 15, page 22,paragraph 3,Free Will, A)
Ephesians. 1:11 " In him also we have obtained an inheritance, being
predestined according to the purpose(GK-Boulema) of him who works
all things according to the counsel of his will, "
We are predestined according to Gods purpose and Will, not by any
so called Free Will, God is the cause.
The Scriptural Process of Conversion(Part 15B, page 6, paragraph 4)
Phillipians. 2:13 " For it is God who works in you both to will and to do
his good pleasure."
This is Scriptural proof that God causes men to do what he
wants.
They Knew Not That Is Of The Lord.(Part 15B, page 29,30, paragraph 3)
Isaiah. 46:9-11 " Remember the former things of old, For I am
God, and there is no other, I am God and there is none like me. Declaring
the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet
done, saying My counsel shall stand, And I will do all my pleasure, calling
a bird of prey from the east, The man executes My councel from a far
country. Indeed I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass. I have
purposed it, I will also do it."
God has purposed it, He has spoken it and it will come to pass
and he will do it. No supposed Free Will can change Gods purpose, Will
and pleasure.
Looking forward to your comments, additional Scriptures from
Ray's Myth of Free Will Series. This should prove as a good review of this
most important Truth and as a good exercise towards retaining Ray's Article
on the Myth of Free Will.
Kind Regards, Samson.
OBrenda:
Hi Samson,
This is fantastic!
I've mulled over sending scriptures to Friends & Family without making much comments, and let them read for themselves!
This is organized well to do that. And is good to have for self study!
Thanks So Very Much!
Brenda
;D
David:
Hi Samson,
I'm seeing Eph 1:11 a little differently lately to the way I always thought it was to be interpreted.
As I understand it, this scripture has been taught as follows,
In Him (Christ) also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him (The Father) who works all things according to the counsel of His (The Fathers) will, "
I don't see it that way anymore. This is how it makes perfect sense to me.
In Him (Christ) also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him (Christ) who works all things according to the counsel of His (The Fathers) will, "
Christ works all things according to the counsel of His Fathers will. I don't see that God the Father needs to counsel Himself in order to work things according to His will.
Christ always does everything according to the Fathers will. We on the other hand do not. We do all things according to His predestined plan and purpose, but not His will. All of what we do in our carnal state is totally contrary to Gods will.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Luke 7:29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will (counsel in the KJV) of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.
There are many many scriptures that tell us that Gods people did many things "against God" "Contrary" to God etc.
No. I'm thinking that Eph 1:11 is talking about Christ doing the will of the Father, not God the Father doing the will of God the Father. And we as carnal human beings certainly do nothing according to the counsel of Gods will, we do everything against Gods will.
Before I'm accused, I am in no way suggesting or saying that this scripture contradicts Gods sovereignty, or His plan and purpose. God is in control of everything, we do not have a free will. What I'm saying is that we do not do Gods will as carnal people in the world, carnal Christians, even converted Christians growing in Christ, we still fall.
There have been those calling themselves Gods ministers or teachers (Not anyone here, or Ray I hasten to add), that have misused this scripture in the interpretation I set out at the start of my post that its Gods will that people murder, rape, perpetrate terrorism etc, "because its all Gods will, He's working it all". As Ray has pointed out on numerous occasions, these people who do such things are not doing the will of God.
ciy:
Samson,
This is a good exercise, but realize the scope. There are several powerful verses similar to what you posted; however, there are 100s of others that are as powerful and obvious or are speaking of God's sovereignty in other ways.
Go to your Esword and search for "God caused", "God causes", "the Lord caused", "God made", etc and see how many times examples are given to prove God is causing everything that is happening. Look at where Moses did not want to go to Pharoah: Gideon did not want to form an army: Jonah did not want to speak to Ninevah: Isaiah did not want to speak to Israel, etc but in every instance God caused them to change their mind and heart.
Go to Proverbs 16 and other chapters are sprinkled throughout with verses on God's complete sovereignty.
All of this is so important to stay in daily until one can begin to really believe there is no freewill instead of just saying it and then turning from the mirror and forgetting what one looks like. Living the truth is the thing, fighting daily. To realize deep inside that everything that happens from good to evil is from the Lord.
It is not about the physical truths. It is about the spiritual truths.
CIY
hillsbororiver:
Hi Samson,
Here are a few more, there are many additional scriptures that speak of man as clay and the Lord as the Potter, how beautifully descriptive that analogy is;
Pro 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Jer 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Lam 3:9 He hath enclosed my ways with hewn stone, he hath made my paths crooked.
Peace,
Joe
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