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Christians with an unchrist like approach in dealing with ho

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Sorin:
Okay then, let's all throw our gay sons parties, and invite all the other gay kids over so they can play together.

perhaps that'll make Zander happy.

roperfam:
Missing the point, or getting it, but not wanting to submit to it.

roperfam:

--- Quote from: bobbys43 ---Everyone,

 Remember God loves all of His creation! We are commanded to love our neighbor!We can hate the sin but not hate the induvidual! I know some gay men and a few I had known died of aides,but my love for them never died or dies!!!God hates that sin too but his love and mercy endures forever! Christ also died for the homosexual and if these friends I know needed help I would in no way cast them away! I hate the sin but I love them! There are things I have done that I am ashamed to even think about but God in His mercy forgave me and he will deal with them in His time!!

bobby
--- End quote ---


Here's a question I have been thinking about, "as Christ is so are we in this world".  Christ died for the sinner, so since we are to partake of the sufferings of Christ, are we too to die for the sinner also?  Not necessarily physical dying, but dying to self, not for our salvation, but for the salvation of others??

2Co 1:6 But, whether we are in tribulation, it is for your encouragement and salvation; whether we are encouraged, it is for your encouragement, which worketh inwardly by the endurance of the same sufferings which, we also, suffer;-

2Co 4:10 At all times, the putting to death of Jesus, in our body, bearing about, in order that, the life also of Jesus, in our body, may be made manifest;

2Co 4:11 For, evermore, we, the living, unto death are being delivered, for Jesus' sake, in order that, the life also of Jesus, may be made manifest in our mortal flesh:

(2Co 4:12)  So that, his death, in us, doth energise, but, his life, in you.

2Co 4:15 For, all things, are for your sakes, in order that, the favour abounding, may, through means of the greater number, cause, the thanksgiving, to superabound unto the glory of God.

2Co 4:16 Wherefore we faint not, but, even if, our outer man, is decaying, nevertheless, our inner man , is renewing day by day.


Since Christ died for the sinner, homosexual included; we too are to die for the sinner, the homosexual, so that the light of the world will shine.

Gill:
I only need the Holy Spirit to reveal the beast in me to be truly disgusted and horrified.  Paul called himself the 'chief of sinners' and i don't think he was joking.  I wonder if and when we get a good look at the beast in each of us, we stop focusing so much on the sins of others because we too feel like the 'chief of sinners'.

It's one of my most heartfelt prayers that i bring my boys up 'in the way of the Lord' ~ and God knows how much i need His wisdom to do that.  All is in God's hands.  If, however, one of my precious sons grew up and lived as a homosexual, yes it would break my heart for many reasons, but i don't think shame would be up there at the top.  Would i ask them to leave the house ?  That depends on a lot (Joe raised some possible scenarios).

Satch:
I haven't been in the position of the parents in this discussion so all I can do is try to imagine what I would do. I don't think the young person should disrespect his parents' home by doing things he knows they disapprove of under their roof. Just as any child living under a parents' roof should be respectful of their house rules. I like to think that my love for my child would be unconditional, that is all I can imagine. I must say that the verse comes to mind regarding the beam in my eye versus the speck of dust in the eye of my fellow man. My grandparents taught me the right things but I must confess I did go and do things they would not approve of. They knew about some of the things and even though they were saddened by my choices they kept loving me. I think that is what helped me understand the unconditional love of God. And their teaching held steady because even though I strayed, I never forgot their teachings to me and I returned to that.

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