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Carlos31:
I was reading a scripture, I believe John 3:5, it says to be reborn out of water AND Spirit, to enter into the kingdom of God.

born out of water? I believe water represents spirit, but there is the word "AND".

whats the meaning of this?

Carlos31:
well, i was reading the greek and the meaning of AND could also be therefore.

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly I tell you, unless a person is born of water and [therefore the ] Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

what do you all think

musicman:
I agree.  One must be born out of spiritual water before entering into the kingdom.

Ninny:
Hey, that is good Carlos. I like the way that reads, it makes sense I had never given that much thought!
Kathy :)

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: Carlos31 on December 13, 2008, 09:43:48 AM ---well, i was reading the greek and the meaning of AND could also be therefore.

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly I tell you, unless a person is born of water and [therefore the ] Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

what do you all think
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Carlos,

The greek word for 'and' is kai (Gk #2532) which from multiple scriptures is always also or with...not therefore.

Matt. 2:14  When he arose, he took the young child and [Gk kai] his mother by night, and departed into Egypt
'He took the young child "therefore' his mother..."  ???

Matt. 2:21  And he arose, and took the young child and [Gk. kai] his mother, and came into the land of Israel

Again, "the young child 'therefore' his mother..." Doesn't really go together, you know?  ;)

Matt. 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Excerpt from 'How Hard is Getting Saved' (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html):

So now we’ve got to:
1. Confess with your mouth
2. and believe in our heart that He raised Jesus from the dead
3. and we know that we’ve got to be reconciled to God
4. and take on the quality of Christ’s life
5. and we’ve got to walk through the door
6. and be baptized
7. and we’ve got to listen to Ray’s foolishness of preaching
8. and we’ve got to call upon the name of the Lord….etc. etc. etc.

And now you’ll be saved?  You haven’t even started!
Well, WHAT IS ALL THIS STUFF?  WHAT IS IT?  Why is all this stuff in the Bible?  How do you do all this stuff? 

There’s more, I could go on for days, there’s more and more and more…. and THEN you shall be saved!
If you’ve got to do all that then why does it say, “Whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”?  Because that’s all you have to do! 
But what about all the rest???  It’s ALL ONE!
If you do any one of these in the spirit, you will be saved. Any one of them. They’re all the same! Each one comes from a little different perspective, but they’re all the same. You need to learn the principal; you need wisdom to know what the word of God is all about.



Hope this helps,

Marques

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