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charrie:
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--- Quote from: aqr on December 27, 2008, 10:07:45 PM ---Respectfully we can agree to disagree on this topic until i can understand better.
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Yes we can.
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Matt. 10:34-39 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
1 Thess 5:21-23 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Tim 3:12-13 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Fester, I know it is difficult (as I have a wife and 2 girls who attend church weekly), but we cannot 'agree to disagree' with scriptures. George was not proving his personal opinion, he was only commenting on what the scriptures tell us.
You stated that we should think of our loved ones as well...what about Christ? Is He not a 'loved one'?
Perhaps you could live by example by staying home and continue to worship in spirit & truth...then eventually, your family will come TO YOU and wonder about your behavior. Just a suggestion, and not trying to change your life overnight, but pointing to the spiritual truth of the matter.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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Yes, we indeed are a spiritual people. We discontinue all outward appearance of working to be saved, Father expects love from the heart, obedience from the heart (intentions).However, our spiritual works are physical. All the scriptural quotes above from Marques can only occur in the physical. Having the members of our own household against us is physical, abstaining from all appearances of evil is physical, suffering from persecution is physical.
Making the very, very difficult decision to Love Jesus more than daughter, sister, brother is physically, mentally hard. But if you think about it, our Big Brother's sacrifice was a physical act of love. He could have stayed in an extremely comfortable place but instead CHOOSE to take the difficult road of obedience to the Father.
Again, we can all attest to the difficulty of the physical obedience to the Father, let alone the spiritual difficulty, but Light cannot remain in darkness and shine and salt without flavor cannot perserve.
I have a family, too. But, if I really love them, which I do, before I ever open my mouth they will have to see my works. And, I love them so, so very much, BUT I LOVE FATHER MOREI say this with tears running down my face at this very moment, but this is the cross we must all bear.
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on December 28, 2008, 04:18:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fester on December 28, 2008, 02:46:49 PM ---Yes George was providing his opinion based on his interpretation and personal applications of the scriptures. Just as you have too. George and I agree to disagree on the application of these scriptures to our lives and not on the scriptures themselves. Neither of us disagree with the scriptures. I interpret all the scriptures he lists and the ones you list in a spiritual manner. Perhaps you can live your life by the 'physical' and continue to stay home and I will live mine by 'spiritual' interpretations of the scriptures in the manner God is leading me. Just a suggestion, and you will never change my life, only God and His spiritual truths will.
Your questions on the love of Christ are demeaning and not worthy of a reply.
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Fester,
I wasn't trying to be demeaning...I was only responding to your comment where you stated 'we cannot just think of ourselves all the time'.
Matt. 8:21-22 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Was Christ telling this disciple to only think of himself? Placing the will of the Father above loved ones is an admirable quality...not a selfish one. Could this disciple obeyed this commandment by physically going to the bury his father but spiritually having his heart elsewhere? Was Christ telling us to come out of Babylon in our heart but we could stay physically? Are there any commandments that one could obey spiritually and not physically?
I am not interested in 'being right' or pushing an agenda...it is only to help all with understanding the scriptures and what our Lord commands. The same way many members help me and others with their comments and discussions. Hope this helps with whoever is seeking understanding...and those who are not seeking, I guess it is of no benefit for them.
Marques
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Exactly, Marques, everyone of us are doing our best to help and edify one another. This walk is difficult enough and the commandment to love one another, to live in peace and unity should be applied even here.
We love you and may Father give us ALL the strength to carry our crosses. They are heavy, heavy with tears.
Charrie :-*
Fester:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on December 28, 2008, 04:18:20 PM ---Matt. 8:21-22 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Was Christ telling this disciple to only think of himself? Placing the will of the Father above loved ones is an admirable quality...not a selfish one. Could this disciple obeyed this commandment by physically going to the bury his father but spiritually having his heart elsewhere? Was Christ telling us to come out of Babylon in our heart but we could stay physically? Are there any commandments that one could obey spiritually and not physically?
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Thanks for the scripture lesson on spiritual truths applied to the physical (flesh).
--- Quote from: charrie on December 28, 2008, 04:34:14 PM ---Yes, we indeed are a spiritual people. We discontinue all outward appearance of working to be saved, Father expects love from the heart, obedience from the heart (intentions).However, our spiritual works are physical. All the scriptural quotes above from Marques can only occur in the physical. Having the members of our own household against us is physical, abstaining from all appearances of evil is physical, suffering from persecution is physical.
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Thanks for the lesson that some scriptures can only occur in the physical (flesh).
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. John 6:63
I pray everyday for God to open my eyes to more of His spiritual truths in the scriptures.
I have said all that I have to say on this topic.
I am finished replying in this thread.
May God bless us all.
charrie:
May Father open ALL our eyes. I prey HE starts with ME FIRST.
Charrie :-*
daywalker:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on December 25, 2008, 12:42:21 AM ---I went to church with my girlfriend and her family. It was an interesting experience. What shocked me the most is that when i asked for a bible, because i wanted to read the bible because i havn't for a very long time now. They told me they didn't have any... i was absolutely shocked. A church without bibles for its members... Well im not a member, but i was certainly attending for the christmas ceremony [because it ment alot to my gf's family.]
So i bring this up, because i was wondering, doesn't anyone else find this a bit shocking? I mean.. i knew people didn't know the Truth, but now i'm starting to see why. The church's wont even keep bibles in the pews during mass or anything. Just hymnal books, no wonder its so easy to be indoctrinated.
Infact my girlfriends brother stated with frustration after i expressed my shock that; "They just read the story to us." He said "i don't know how they do it at your church but thats how they do it here." I told Him i didn't go to "church" and asked "wouldn't you like to read it for yourself?" To which he replied much the same as his first.
Boy! To me this his like a school without books! A science class without the instruments! Does anyone else think as i do about this?
Curiouse on your thoughts.
God bless,
Alex
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Funny story:
My mom wanted me to go with her to Church on Christmas Eve, and I said what for? She got silent cause she knows the "Truth" as I've shared it with her and she believes, yet still wants to hold on to her 'idol of the heart' Babylonian-Style Church..
Then my brother-in-law said he wanted to go, and said that he was sad that it's Christmas and 'nobody knows what Christmas is about these days',
to which I replied, 'What is Christmas about, Mike?'
and of course he replied 'Jesus' Birthday'.
And I said.. "Oh, Really?"
Then he hesitated and said to me, 'isn't it?'
To which I replied, 'Jesus was born around September. Roman Catholics made Christmas Jesus' Birthday. If you really want a Christmas sermon, I'll give you one!"
But my sister got upset, and said 'Mom, Chris is ruining my Christmas!" Lol we all started laughing...
Fun times at the 'Adams Residence'...
Over & Out,
Daywalker.
charrie:
Thank You, Daywalker
:D :D :D
Charrie :-*
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