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GOD CAUSES EVERYTHING
smeacham:
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My cousin calls himself a Root Hebrew Christian... and I have no clue what that means either.
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Some Christians desire to understand the Bible as they believe a Hebrew would. This means as a Middle Easterner, rather than as a Westerner. One way that this manifests is a belief in BIBLICAL PATRIARCHY, which is probably necessary to understand before BIBLICAL POLYGAMY. If you Google those two terms, you'll find out more, if you want to understand. Hope this helps...
For the record, I do not ascribe to or carry either of these labels.
God Bless You, Jacob
legoman:
Kat & George (aqr),
Thanks for the scriptures. I have no doubt that God is sovereign, and I agree all these scriptures state as much, and by implication make God responsible. Its just that some people don't see it that way :) You know the usual line "you decided to sin so you are responsible for it while I chose God and am responsible for my own salvation". I've even seen people fully admit that the complete work of salvation is finished and is only of God - yet still insist you must accept Christ of your own free will to be saved! Hm, I thought you just said the work of salvation was finished and ONLY OF GOD! Sigh...
Ezekiel 28:2:
"Son of man, tell the ruler of Tyre, 'This is what the Almighty LORD says: In your arrogance you say, "I'm a god. I sit on God's throne in the sea." But you're only human and not a god, although you think you are a god.
This is a really good one George, I don't think I fully realized the implications of it before. This scripture is not just for the king of Tyre, its for everyone! We all sit on God's throne claiming we are "god" with our free will beliefs. Also notice the mention of "God's throne in the sea" This would be the "sea of humanity", no? ie. the sea in revelations.
Isaiah 14:24:
The LORD of the hosts has sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, [so] shall it stand:
That is another good verse that complements Isa 46:10, Isa 55:11, and Eph 1&2.
I find it interesting how different people find different verses that all show the same thing, but help to give additional clarification! God is working through us all so we can learn and understand.
Cheers,
Kevin
aqrinc:
Kevin,
Every day i find more Treasure in The Scriptures, just imagine if All the things Jesus Said and Did
were written. According to the Scriptures the world could contain it. Hope you have enough weapons
now for this part of the continuing Spiritual Warfare. ???
george. ;D
geokuhns:
I think I have all the dots connected now. I went back and found the audio tape (I’m amazed I found it so quickly) where Ray said that God does not “make” man sin. It is the August 2008 Bible Study titled “Free Will”,
Part 1. If you fast forward to the 16 minute mark you will hear Ray say that God does not “make” men sin. He references James 1:13-15 that says God does not tempt anyone and one is tempted and enticed by his own lust. Ray says that God does not have to “make” man sin because man is a sinning machine.
The key words involved in this discussion is “make” and “cause.” God does not “make” us sin but “causes” us to sin and there is a difference. Here is how Webster defines these two words.
Make - To compel.
Cause - Something that brings about a result.
God does not compel us to sin but He does bring about or causes sin in order to “bring about” the result which is qualified sons of God as we learn that sin brings pain, suffering and death. :)
aqrinc:
Bingo George Kuhns,
It usually takes several times going over a Revelation before we even start to (get it).
I learned when still a child to take snapshots of the whole page in my mind at the first
reading. Then when i read again my mind is correlating past and current information to
better my understanding. Now think when The Spirit Of God opens up that little trickle
of understanding that we first have with the carnal mind into a Torrent of Truth.
Waiting on The Lord to Teach us is hard with the clamor for our attention from everyside.
But when we wait He Will Teach and Guide us into All Truth. (He Leads me in The Paths Of
Righteousness For His Name's Sake.)
Psalm 23:3
He restores my soul: he leads me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Psalms 19:7:
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psalms 31:3:
Because, my mountain crag and my stronghold, thou art, Therefore, for the sake of thine own Name, wilt thou lead me and guide me?
george. ;D
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