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GOD CAUSES EVERYTHING
kenny:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to (know) good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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A primitive root; to separate mentally (or distinguish), that is, (generally) understand: - attend, consider, be cunning, diligently, direct, discern, eloquent, feel, inform, instruct, have intelligence, know, look well to, mark, perceive, be prudent, regard, (can) skill (-ful), teach, think, (cause, make to, get, give, have) understand (-ing), view, (deal) wise (-ly, man).
a good man chooses good and a bad man chooses evil but it still choice and the good man can choose evil just as the bad man can choose good
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: kenny on February 26, 2009, 02:02:23 PM ---
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to (know) good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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בּין
bîyn
bene
A primitive root; to separate mentally (or distinguish), that is, (generally) understand: - attend, consider, be cunning, diligently, direct, discern, eloquent, feel, inform, instruct, have intelligence, know, look well to, mark, perceive, be prudent, regard, (can) skill (-ful), teach, think, (cause, make to, get, give, have) understand (-ing), view, (deal) wise (-ly, man).
a good man chooses good and a bad man chooses evil but it still choice and the good man can choose evil just as the bad man can choose good
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Matt 19:17, Mk 10:18, & Lk 18:19 ...there is none good but one, that is, God
1 Cor 2:13-15 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Kenny,
I've noticed on a few threads now this tendency of yours to refer to people as 'good' and/or 'righteous'. This is unscriptural as there are none good, we all have fallen short of the glory of God. Mankind choose evil because he/she is naturally, inherently evil.
Deut 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always...
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked...
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God
Rom 8:7 ...the carnal mind [natural, fleshly] is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be
Only through God's grace (divine influence upon our hearts) does one do 'good'. And even then, it is not the person themselves doing the works, but God IN them.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
1 Cor 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I [yet not I laboured], but the grace of God [laboured] which was with me.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Dave in Tenn:
God 'caused' all of us to be in the condition Marques described. Can't be a greater 'cause' than the fact we were created carnal and spiritually weak! We can learn (the Law, Scripture, the instruction of our parents, many other influences) to know right from wrong and we can learn to do (choose) right according to those influences. That's a righteousness of a sort--one that the scripture describes as filthy rags. We can also choose to follow our baser instincts (usually with the help of many other influences which 'cause' us choose this path). Without any influence (something causing) towards 'good', this would be all of our choice, and one we cannot help but make.
What the Spirit of God does is begin to change our 'self' (mind, heart) from within. He does this by 'causing' us to die to it. Man can't choose this righteousness. Man is not able to choose it, and it is not on our 'list of choices' in the first place. He has to be CHOSEN for this. (We did not choose Him--He chose us and dragged us to Him). Once we are, then the Spirit of God IN us begins to become the paramount 'cause' in making us in all ways like Christ. The same Law, scripture, instruction, correction, reproof, grace, influence--JUDGEMENT--and above all LOVE, now has a different purpose--to mold us into the Image of His Son.
Religion wants everybody to 'be good and do good'--ain't gonna happen, ain't never happened. The Spirit of God IS good and DOES good.
That's about the best way I can put it, Kenny. If you want scripture, I got it. :D
kenny:
ouch!
thanks for the scipture and the word, i will continue to recieve correction.
Pro 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Ricky:
Hello everyone, I think you have all hit a little nerve in me somewhere, thankyou. I know I can see something, but it is so fuzzy still, but I do know it is there. I can only asked for your patient with me. There are probably others that may have the same feelings as I do, I sure hope that I am not alone on this, I can only hope that the questions`s I have and the answer`s you all give will help someone else, and hopefully me as well.
Bless you all. Ricky
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