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Being Not of this World
Shane.:
"You ask 'what exactly happens after this change occurs' like it happens overnight. Dude, it won't even happen before you graduate."
I'm asking biblically, once I have turned away from sin, how exactly that manifests itself in my lifestyle? Like I said previously, if my lifestyle creates the necessity for slave labor throughout the world, how am I not living in sin?
@Mc_Can: Did God chose to have me born here? Or did my ancestors defy God's will in creating this empire? Also, is God in total control or did he gift us creation and also the free will to use it as we please? 16,000 children die of starvation every single day. Is this God? Or is it the greed of men? Men who refuse to let go of their possessions and luxuries even when their brothers and sisters throughout the world are starving to death.
2 Timothy 3:12 (NKJV) Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
I would really like to understand exactly what brings forth such persecution if this change in me manifests itself in a purely spiritual sense.
Falconn003:
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 22, 2009, 12:47:28 PM ---"You ask 'what exactly happens after this change occurs' like it happens overnight. Dude, it won't even happen before you graduate."
I'm asking biblically, once I have turned away from sin, how exactly that manifests itself in my lifestyle? Like I said previously, if my lifestyle creates the necessity for slave labor throughout the world, how am I not living in sin?
@Mc_Can: Did God chose to have me born here? Or did my ancestors defy God's will in creating this empire? Also, is God in total control or did he gift us creation and also the free will to use it as we please? 16,000 children die of starvation every single day. Is this God? Or is it the greed of men? Men who refuse to let go of their possessions and luxuries even when their brothers and sisters throughout the world are starving to death.
2 Timothy 3:12 (NKJV) Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
I would really like to understand exactly what brings forth such persecution if this change in me manifests itself in a purely spiritual sense.
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If you really , really , really , really , really like to understand, then go here http://www.bible-truths.com/
Read everything 2-3 times and when you return from this ordeal in full understanding, you should be well into your late 30's or early 40's, what say you ?
Rodger
aqrinc:
Hi Shane,
You need to stop now and learn; you are yet carnal so you cannot even understand anything Spiritual.
God is not in damage control mode; everything He has purposed Is happening According to His Will.
Your Free Will is non existent, null, never was, is an illusion in your mind.
See if you can understand who the below Scriptures are talking to;
John 4:24:
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
John 6:63:
It is the spirit that vivifies; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak
to you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Romans: 1: 20-23
20-For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly
seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting
power and divinity; that they may be without excuse.
21-Because, knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, neither gave thanks,
but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened.
22-Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23-and traded the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of
corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things.
I Corinthians 2:14:
But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness
to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
george. :)
Ps. This is an excerpt from your first post; and the reason you do not yet see.
Hello everyone. I just found Ray's website and much encouragement in it. I haven't had the time to read it all, and I know I'm breaking the rules by posting, but I'd really like some advice.
You need to read a whole lot more; but it is really good for you.
daywalker:
Hello Shane,
I understand your feelings. I've done my own share of researching the recent history of our government, as well as governments in general. I had some similar thoughts myself for awhile...
The first thing you have to do is believe and accept that God alone is in control.
Romans 19:10-11: Pilate, then, is saying to Him, "To me you are not speaking! Are you not aware that I have authority to release you and have authority to crucify you?" Jesus answered him, "No authority have you against Me in anything, except it were given to you from above. Therefore he who is giving Me up to you has the greater sin."
Yes even our corrupt government gets its power and authority from God. Of course, that doesn't mean that they can do whatever they want, and it doesn't matter...
But just as God ALONE gives them their authority, God ALONE is responsible for their Judgment! It is not OUR [or YOUR] job to speak out against or judge the government, or anyone in power..
With ONE exception:
Acts 5:29 - Yet answering, Peter and the apostles say, "One must yield to God rather than to men..."
If a government official, beit a police officer, or soldier, or even the President of the United States himself, ASKS YOU to do something that you know is against God's Law, then yes you do have the authority and are commanded to "yield to God rather than to men".
And Remember that it is "through much tribulation that we enter the kingdom" [Acts 14:22], NOT through 'escaping' or 'running away' from tribulation.
May the God of PEACE be with you,
Christopher.
smeacham:
Hi Shane,
I think you need to read the material on this web site before posting questions like these. I'll give you some short answers, but you can go back to the web site articles and get the full answers to all your questions.
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 22, 2009, 12:47:28 PM ---...
I'm asking biblically, once I have turned away from sin, how exactly that manifests itself in my lifestyle?
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Humility. When you can be humble like a child before God, asking, listening, and accepting what He gives you, it is then that he opens eyes and ears, gives us understanding, and heals us. "God sets himself against the proud, but he shows favor to the humble." (James 4:6).
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 22, 2009, 12:47:28 PM ---...
Did God chose to have me born here? Or did my ancestors defy God's will in creating this empire?
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Yes. Of course God planned for you to be born exactly the place and time and way that you were. God's will is for us to obey and submit to the authorities placed over us, so your ancestors were resisting His will in the American Revolutionary War. However, that war was also God's will. How, you ask? Because many times it is God's will that we RESIST His will for a while. Look at Pharaoh - "Let my people go" yet "God hardened Pharaoh's heart." (Exodus 7:10-13).
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Also, is God in total control or did he gift us creation and also the free will to use it as we please?
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We make our own choices, using our own minds. It's just that our minds are 100% influenced by things such as God's divine influence, our environment, our experiences, and other circumstances. Since all of these things operate and occur according to God's will, then so does our will. We will will to do exactly what God wills us to. See Ray's series on Free Will for a lot more in-depth look.
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16,000 children die of starvation every single day. Is this God? Or is it the greed of men?
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Yes and Yes. You must understand that God is not evil, and that God hates evil. However, God created and uses evil to accomplish His perfect (non-evil) will. God is working in all of creation a lengthy process that will ultimately make man in His image. To sum up what that image is, it is to know both good and evil, but to ultimately desire and do only good - like God. If not for these terrible things, we would be unable to know evil, and learn to hate it, and learn to love righteousness.
It is not evil for God to use evil, if he can make all things righteousness in the end. It is not evil for God to kill a person, because God can and will raise them from the dead.
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 22, 2009, 12:47:28 PM ---...
2 Timothy 3:12 (NKJV) Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
I would really like to understand exactly what brings forth such persecution if this change in me manifests itself in a purely spiritual sense.
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The Spiritual is what is real and permanent. The physical is what decays and disappears. The two don't get along, either. The carnal mind hates what is good, and cannot obey God's commands. It also hates those that DO. Wrap your mind around that one and you may start to see.
Steve
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