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Being Not of this World
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 22, 2009, 12:47:28 PM ---"You ask 'what exactly happens after this change occurs' like it happens overnight. Dude, it won't even happen before you graduate."
I'm asking biblically, once I have turned away from sin, how exactly that manifests itself in my lifestyle? Like I said previously, if my lifestyle creates the necessity for slave labor throughout the world, how am I not living in sin?
@Mc_Can: Did God chose to have me born here? Or did my ancestors defy God's will in creating this empire? Also, is God in total control or did he gift us creation and also the free will to use it as we please? 16,000 children die of starvation every single day. Is this God? Or is it the greed of men? Men who refuse to let go of their possessions and luxuries even when their brothers and sisters throughout the world are starving to death.
2 Timothy 3:12 (NKJV) Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
I would really like to understand exactly what brings forth such persecution if this change in me manifests itself in a purely spiritual sense.
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Shane,
Hello, here is an e-mail to Ray about our Fathers Will.
Hope it helps.
Peace... Mark
Gods Will;
I've heard allot of people ask the question what is Gods will for they're lives?
This is my question as well, what is Gods Will?
Is it our own will?
If we live a holy life wont we be in the Will of God what ever we do?
Could you please give me some in site on this question, I've read all of your writings and its caused me to search for answers more than ever.
I've found that in the past ,I've more less believed the teachings of others and never read the bible for myself. Its great to read and see that the bible is nothing like I've been taught. I'm tired of living according to teachers ,preachers . I want to live according to what God wants, and what the Bible actually teaches.Your site has been very informative.Thanks T
Dear Teresa:
If you will read or reread my four-part series on "The Myth of Free Will Exposed," you will know a great deal about the will of God. I am now going to teach you something very very profound, so listen carefully:
EVERYTHING that happened in your life, in the past, WAS God's purpose for your life at that time.
EVERYTHING that will happen in your life, in the future, WILL BE God's purpose for you at that time.
Then why do anything? Why try? Why care? Why be good? Why study? Why pray? For WHAT?
Here is where viritually all Christians and all theologians and all ministers turn their minds off.
What you did in the past was influenced and caused by your environment of the past.
What you do in the future will be influenced and caused by your environment of the future.
What you are hearing and learning from bibletruths.com is one of those environmental
happenings that will have an effect on your future. You may not see how, but God does.
If God is choosing you as one of the called/chosen/elect/few, then you WILL respond
to the information and circumstances that God Himself will be directing in your life.
If you desire to stop sinning and start obeying God, then that being CAUSED in your
heart and mind, and you have no idea were and when it really began. God knows.
This is a subject for a 300 page book, not a short email. Hope you understand. Keep reading.
God be with you,
Ray
Shane.:
I think I am beginning to understand. All of your posts have been very helpful so far. Thank you so much for them. I also promise to do my reading before I carry this on much further. I just have a couple more points where I am having confusion.
--- Quote ---If a government official, beit a police officer, or soldier, or even the President of the United States himself, ASKS YOU to do something that you know is against God's Law, then yes you do have the authority and are commanded to "yield to God rather than to men".
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I agree completely, I guess we would just differ on what exactly is against God's law. I'm having trouble believing that supporting sweat shops throughout the world is not against God's law. For me it comes down to Matthew 18:8.
"So if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away."
I feel like modern living causes sin and that I should cut it off. It sounds drastic... almost as drastic as cutting off a limb that causes us to sin!
Like I said, I'll keep quiet until I do the reading. Thanks again for entertaining my questions.
Falconn003:
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 22, 2009, 07:17:31 PM ---
I feel like modern living causes sin and that I should cut it off. It sounds drastic... almost as drastic as cutting off a limb that causes us to sin! Like I said, I'll keep quiet until I do the reading. Thanks again for entertaining my questions.
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You could go nude and live on an island, and still you will sin.
Entertaining your questions is a rather rude assumption on your part, after tolerance and patience bestowed on you.
Rodger
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 22, 2009, 07:17:31 PM ---I think I am beginning to understand. All of your posts have been very helpful so far. Thank you so much for them. I also promise to do my reading before I carry this on much further. I just have a couple more points where I am having confusion.
--- Quote ---If a government official, beit a police officer, or soldier, or even the President of the United States himself, ASKS YOU to do something that you know is against God's Law, then yes you do have the authority and are commanded to "yield to God rather than to men".
--- End quote ---
I agree completely, I guess we would just differ on what exactly is against God's law. I'm having trouble believing that supporting sweat shops throughout the world is not against God's law. For me it comes down to Matthew 18:8.
"So if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away."
I feel like modern living causes sin and that I should cut it off. It sounds drastic... almost as drastic as cutting off a limb that causes us to sin!
Like I said, I'll keep quiet until I do the reading. Thanks again for entertaining my questions.
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Hey Shane,
The key part of my statement was if someone in power asks you to do something against God's commandment, then don't do it. I'm sure the Roman government did horrible things all the time, but not once did Jesus speak out against any of it. In fact, the only time He rose His voice was against His Own Church and His Disciples. Does this mean Jesus was somehow supporting what the Government was doing? Not at all! But He let God deal with them. If Jesus Christ never spoke out against them, then what gives you [us] the right? Does this mean we can't ever express your opinions regarding what our Government is doing? Not at all. IN FACT I do speak out a little on my myspace page. [link provided below]
But it isn't our [followers of Christ] place to stand up against them.
If God has determined that a certain government needs to be overthrown, then God will make it happen. He has ways, and He has necessary tools [people] to get the job done. But it won't be us [believers], I can assure you that:
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." - Matthew 26:52
Besides, how could you obey Christ's commandments to "love your enemies, do good to them, turn the other cheek, forgive and be forgiven, etc" if you are leading a revolt [even a 'friendly' one] against the government? One thing is for sure, the American Government IS on God's list of factions that must be Judged. But only God alone knows when and how that will happen.
I highly recommend reading Ray's Article, "When The Towers Fell" as it is right up your alley:
http://bible-truths.com/towers.htm
And my intent is not to put you down, as I said before, I've gone through similar emotions as you are. In fact, I have just begun to understand these things over the past few months! It hurts to know all the horrible things that are going on around the world, but quite frankly we can't fix it all. Only God can heal this world. All you can do is accept His Will, in hope that He will give you the understanding necessary to guide you in the right path. It's not easy, not at all, but if you want to be His Follower, you must.
"Be humbled, then, in the Lord's sight, and He shall be exalting you."
- James 4:10
Don't be afraid to ask questions. No one here will judge you, because they know if they do, then their judgment will be returned to them by God. As long as you are honestly seeking Truth, and not just starting confrontations [as it appears to me you are seeking Truth], then we are your brethren.
May God continue to guide you safely through the valley of darkness, towards the Light.
- Daywalker.
http://www.myspace.com/focker714
Shane.:
"Entertaining your questions is a rather rude assumption on your part, after tolerance and patience bestowed on you."
I'm truly very sorry. I had no intention of being rude. Perhaps I should learn more about a phrase before putting it into action ???
So thanks so much to everyone who replied for your tolerance and patience.
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