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A point regardding the suffering that God causes.
Harry:
A thought has occurred to me regardding the suffering that humanity is being subjected to by God. The thought is based on a principle that is alluded to in the bible ( Ps 90:15, Isa 61:3). I believe this a spiritual law that can be likened to the known physical law that says for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. With this law in mind if the eternal phase of our existence will be governed by the temporal phase of our existence how much suffering would we want God to allow? In other words if the height and depth and breadth of our joy and fulfilment in the life to come was only limited by the sorrow and suffering that occurred in this phase how much do we want?
Harry
Akira329:
It never ceases to amaze me how many different ways
a topic is approached on this forum.
Hey Harry,
Try reading this older thread, it might help you
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8705.0.html
Also Lake of Fire 15
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
Hope it helps in you understanding
Antaiwan
Beloved:
Okay Harry help me out with your question here are the two quotes your referred to, can you explain more about what you mean ?
(Psa 90:15) Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.
(Isa 61:3) To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
How do these scriptures play into what you are asking exactly Are you saying only those who suffer greatly will be rewarded greatly? I do not think we get to choose that exactly.
beloved
Beloved:
Since God will send the trials in our life, it is also very comforting to know that
1Co 10:13 Trial, hath not taken you, save such as man can bear; faithful, moreover is God, who will not suffer you to be tried above what ye are able, but will make, with the trial, also the way of escape, that ye may be able to hold out.
(Heb 2:18) For, in that, he, suffered when tested, he is able, unto them who are being tested, to give succour.
We are all vessels that were made to temper things differently and the Potter knows exactly what tempering is needed. .
beloved
Harry:
OK, I think I need to elaborate a little. Ps 90:15 says "Make us (God and all of humanity)glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us ( Himself and us), and the years wherein we have seen evil". First I will tell you the reason I believe that this verse refers to all of humanity. In John 17:21 Jesus prayed " That they all may be one: as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us". Now let me add to that this fact that I'm confident we will all agree on and that is God is the source of all consciousness or in other words all consciousness stems from God because God is the only self-existent eternal being. Simply put..at one time in the past God was the only conscious being in existence. Now God made Adam and breathed into him the breath of life and Adam became a living soul and likewise Eve became a living soul...both conscious beings. [ Please bear with me and you will see where all of this is leading]. Now we know that Adam and Eve could not think a thought or have a conscious experience that God did not also experience (because God is omniscient...or all knowing). Now carry that out through the conscious existence of every person that has ever lived and you essentially have the "seed".. so to speak.. for the conscious existence in the spiritual life. Just like our physical bodies are only a seed for our glorified spiritual body (1 cor 15:37-39). Likewise the sum total of humanities conscious existence will be the seed for our spiritual eternal existence. Now take into consideration the fact that we will be made one with the father ( Who contains the sum total of humanities experience) and you will see the unfathomable height and breadth and depth of the life to come. Remembering that the sorrow and pain of this life will be "converted" into Joy and happiness there. Now the question ...how much pain and suffering do we want God to allow here...Answer...As much as we can bear...By his grace.
Harry
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