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wayofpeace:
BELOVED,
there's NO doubt in my mind that there's error and heresy and half-truths within CHURCHDOM;
however, to claim that there is NO righteous CHRISTIANS within her is IMO to cross over into infallibility.
we cannot know why some of GOD's beloved have stayed or asked by our FATHER to stay within.
which reminds me of ELIJAH, when thinking that he is the only one left
who has not betrayed GOD but GOD corrects him:
And I will leave over in Israel seven thousand,
whose knees did not kneel to the Baal and every mouth that did not kiss him.
again, i am not here defending ROB BELL or being argumentative,
i just thought the title of his book applied to my post and the discussion.
Kat:
Hi Hector,
You should come to a point in your spiritual walk that you do not feel at home in a church building that is where Stan has his throne. Ray wrote an article (#10 in the LoF) on this 'The Synagogue of Satan - There's One Near You.' It explains in much detail what the church is about, here is the link http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html
Here is an excerpt from article #13 from the LoF and a email that will give you a brief explanation.
http://bible-truths.com/lake13.html ---------------------------
The Great Church in Revelation is called:
"Mystery BABYLON THE GREAT, The Mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth" (Rev. 17:5).
This great church decidedly does NOT spiritually dwell in the heavens, but is ‘of the earth, earthy.’ This great church is built upon the spiritual sand of this world’s doctrines. And being built on sand, SHE WILL FALL:
"And there followed another angel, saying Babylon IS FALLEN, IS FALLEN, that great city [‘For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is and is in bondage with her children’ Gal. 4:25], because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" (Rev. 14:8).
And this…
"And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great IS FALLEN, IS FALLEN, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities" (Rev. 18:5).
And so, dear reader, if you have built your spiritual house upon the sand of this world’s great Church, you are warned to COME OUT OF HER, because she is going to fall, and "GREAT will be the fall of it."
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,533.0.html -------
Dear Reader:
God has always witnessed against unbelieving Israel (His Church), as well as witnessng to those He chose to live by faith within the Nation/Church.
Under the New Covenant, this choosing of the faithful involved a more pronounced departure from the main group. Paul witnessed to Gentiles in the Synagogues of the Jews, for example, but when they believed Paul's message concerning Jesus Christ, they left the synagogue and met in private homes of like believers.
The truth is, once one begins to believe God's Word and live by God's Word, he will not need to come out of the Church or leave the Church, the Church will KICK HIM OUT! I can personally attest to this.
Each generation who reads the book of revelation will see their sins presented--both to the called and the chosen. Of course, the called have always believed that they are the chosen. It's just God's way to conceal a matter for HIs own ultimate majesty.
Tartaroo is a subject to the next HELL Part C paper.
God be with you,
Ray
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: wayofpeace on February 22, 2009, 12:37:51 PM ---BELOVED,
there's NO doubt in my mind that there's error and heresy and half-truths within CHURCHDOM;
however, to claim that there is NO righteous CHRISTIANS within her is IMO to cross over into infallibility.
we cannot know why some of GOD's beloved have stayed or asked by our FATHER to stay within.
which reminds me of ELIJAH, when thinking that he is the only one left
who has not betrayed GOD but GOD corrects him:
And I will leave over in Israel seven thousand,
whose knees did not kneel to the Baal and every mouth that did not kiss him.
again, i am not here defending ROB BELL or being argumentative,
i just thought the title of his book applied to my post and the discussion.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---we cannot know why some of GOD's beloved have stayed or asked by our FATHER to stay within.
--- End quote ---
^^^
Email to Ray;
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5085.msg40000.html#msg40000
Dear Dr. Smith: Too big a subject for an email, but I will make a few comments. Christian doctrine is built upon paganism, superstition, erroneous translations, and hideous doctrines of men. Of course, those persons who are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will not be in the kingdom reign of Jesus Christ. But that fact has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of humanity's eternal destiny.
"Many are called but few as chosen" is a statement of fact, not a statement of eternal exclusion. God has predetermined to choose out a chosen elect FEW. These will enter into the Kingdom of God which will then bring about the salvation of the rest of humanity through Judgment. Judgment is upon the chosen few House of God NOW (I Pet. 4:17). When the knowledge of the Lord covers the earth like the waters cover the sea, then, not now but then, "Because He hath appointed a day, IN THE WHICH He will judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS..." (Acts 17:31). "WHEN [not now, but 'when'] Thy Judgments are in the earth the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9).
Those who enter the straight and narrow (difficult) way will enter into the Kingdom of God, but those who go the broad way will go into DESTRUCTION. This is certainly true. However. What is the final destiny of those who go the broad way to destruction. Is there hope for the lost, the perish, the destroyed? Duh!! Jesus said, "The Son of Man is come to save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10, Matt. 18:11).
The word translated "lost" is the Greek word "apollumi" which is translated "LOST," "PERISHED," and "DESTROYED." Jesus Christ said that He is come to SAVE all those who are "apollumi"--destroyed, perished, and lost.
But does anyone believe Jesus? NOT MANY. Like I said, too big a subject for an email.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: wayofpeace on February 21, 2009, 07:44:45 PM ---george,
if CARNAL shows up, you have my permission to call it as you see it.
interesting that you mentioned that our task is mostly UNLEARNING
what has been poured into each of us for years
and errors layered on top of errors over the GOSPEL for centuries.
which is why i was thrilled to read RAY's tenacious deconstruction
and removal of the rubble: making the GOOD NEWS GOOD again!
--- End quote ---
Hector,
I just read a book review of: JESUS WANTS TO SAVE CHRISTIANS. Just from the review
i can say that the book has nothing in common with BT.
BTW,
Jesus Christ, Does not want to save christians; He is The Saviour Of All (The Whole) World.
1Ti 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Remember All the truths you learn here, you did not buy, and it is priceless. Those in the world who sell another gospel for financial gain, cannot be lumped in with BT or The Gospel Of The Kingdom since we are called (dragged) out of those very dens of iniquity. There was another thread here recently about that very subject of bell's; you can find it and do a little reading for no cost other than time.
Rev 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 18: 1-51
And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
george :).
Beloved:
Could you explain the following statement more
You posted
there's NO doubt in my mind that there's error and heresy and half-truths within CHURCHDOM;
however, to claim that there is NO righteous CHRISTIANS within her is IMO to cross over into infallibility.
Now I can understand that there may be some saints still in Babylon who may be destined to have their eyes and ears are opened then they will have to deal with these scriptures and commands
(Rev 18:4) And I heard another voice out of the heaven, saying, `Come forth out of her, My people, that ye may not partake with her sins, and that ye may not receive of her plagues,
(2Co 6:17) wherefore, come ye forth out of the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and an unclean thing do not touch, and I--I will receive you,
you posted
we cannot know why some of GOD's beloved have stayed or asked by our FATHER to stay within
Can you give scriptural proof of these two states, those who have stayed knowing the truth and those who know the truth and have been "asked by the Father" to stay there.
I do not seeing that the Father "asking any one", but I do see that it is His Will for the many to remain blind and deaf to His word and some that have to wait until he is ready to heal them.
No one has said that Christendom did not have some truths but they are always wrapped in lies and false doctrines. They themselves are blind to them and even what they say some times is prophesy about and against themselves.
There is no one here on earth that is Righteous...not one ...except Him
(Mat 19:17) And he said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one is good except One--God; but if thou dost will to enter into the life, keep the commands.'
beloved
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