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Kat:
Hi Brad,
We all were indeed "once decieved." But now a few are having their eyes opened to this truth.
Tit 3:3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
God "draws" more like drags us to Him and begin to teach us the truth, which removes the deception.
James 1:16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
v. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
When we give our life to Christ (only because He has drawn us to Him) we no longer lean on our own or any man's understanding.
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
odinpop:
George,
Thank you for correcting me. Being yet a babe, I misspeak sometimes. I was trying to make the point that it's between God and individual man, not man and man. I was trying to make the point that the reason I came out of the "church" was to get away form the deceitful doctrines of men and I will never take the words of "any man" as truth again. God willing!
I was trying to make the point that:
Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If you listen to man, you have to understand their (and our, and my) sinful position.
My point is no earthly man has the whole truth.
Brad
Brad
kenny:
Luk 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
Luk 2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
Luk 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
hey my freind we can see that he was hearing the doctors, and they were astonished for as he was hearing them he was answering them with his under standing and then his wisdom grew.
Akira329:
Hey Kenny
--- Quote from: kenny on February 25, 2009, 06:50:04 AM ---Luk 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
Luk 2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
Luk 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
hey my freind we can see that he was hearing the doctors, and they were astonished for as he was hearing them he was answering them with his under standing and then his wisdom grew.
--- End quote ---
Scripture clearly says:
Luk 2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and (his)answers.
Jesus was in the midst of them, as he always is but doing what? Teaching
He heard the doctors, he even heard thier answers.
They new scripture, but did not have understanding and therefore had not wisdom
Joh 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If he never learned according to the Jews, where did he learn? From his Father!
Also something to consider in Jesus' learning process:
Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
This statement shows his great understanding over his earthly parents.
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
This next verse is great!!
Luk 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
Even though he had this great wisdom he was still subject to his earthly parents.
If Jesus was asked to sweep the floor, he swept the floor
If Jesus was asked to take out the trash, he took it out
Also the question of Jesus' learning obedience by the things he suffered goes way beyond his earthly life
You might want to check out the Nashville 2007 conference.
There seems like I could say more as I'm thinking about this(as if ray hasn't said enough) but I'll wait for your response.
Antaiwan
kenny:
hey Antaiwan
MY FRIEND THANK YOU, THIS IS SO COOL.
I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL CHRISTIAN SITES ON THE WEB AND ALL I HAVE EVER GOT IN RESPONCE WAS AMEN AND NOW HERE I GET WHAT WE ALL NEED (SPRIRITUAL RIB EYE WITH HOLY SPIRIT SAUCE).
THANKS FOR THE RESPONCE FREIND I WILL RETURN THE FLAVOR SOON
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