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Understanding your position…
wayofpeace:
thanks KAT, that has been my experience too.
so, to clarify my position:
i do think that there are a myriad of brothers and sisters (also called & chosen)
that are--as we speak--in the process of detaching themselves from the harlot.
these are are just like the 11th hour workers in the parable....
arriving late but will get the same wages as the early risers.
i sense that this EXODUS is ongoing.
FATHER is gathering all of HIS sheep,
specially the ONE (still within the church system) for whose rescue HE leaves the 99.
odinpop:
I think that we all need to be careful listening to, or taking, any man's word as truth. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
As Universalist we believe the "ALL" but do we believe the nones?
Rev 12:9and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
Rev 18:23….all nations deceived."
To know your position is… to know that ALL are, at some level, still deceived. ALL …the whole world, ALL the nations, and each and every one of us.
We are each charged with working salvation out OURSELVES.
Php 2:12 …work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
And to not just listen to what men have to say.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
I believe that anytime you put your faith in ANY MAN, you are putting yourself in a dangerous position.
Brad
Marlene:
Ray, has an email entitled One Mans Testimony. It is a good one to read. Some, men believe in Universal Salvation, but carry teachings over from when they were in Babylon. They have one foot in and one foot out. But, I believe that we can discern with scriptures. I have seed some of those who Ray speaks of. We have to test everything with scriptures or we could be deceived.
Ray, backs his teaching with the Scriptures. Many of them do not even quote a scripture. Just thought you might want to go in and read it . It is quite long. But, I believe God has led me to lots of truths. I also, believe he can finish what he started.
In His Love,
Marlene
aqrinc:
Hi Hector,
You are on to something now:
--- Quote ---my understanding is that having the mind of CHRIST is not automatic. we received the SPIRIT so that we MIGHT understand.
--- End quote ---
We receive the Spirit of Understanding when He Knows we are ready for it not before.
Luk 24:44-45
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
--- Quote ---so that since we are in still in-process, we may get some things wrong while the WORD of GOD is ALWAYS TRUE!
--- End quote ---
So we let Scripture interpret Scripture; Jesus Christ Himself said:
Joh 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
--- Quote ---which is why we are made into a BODY so that TOGETHER we may complement, build and mature each others up.
--- End quote ---
Eph 4:16
from whom the whole body, fitted together and compacted by that which every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of each part, producing the growth of the body to the edifying of itself in love.
george. ;D
aqrinc:
Brad,
Scripture explains itself and interprets Scripture, you really need to read all the words. Ray has
always stressed, Read THE WORDS, ALL the words.
You do need to read all the words verse 9-11
Rev 12: 9-11
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
You do need to read all the words verse 1-9
Mat 15:1-9
1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
You do need to read all the words verse 12 and 13.
The reason you work out your own salvation with fear and trembling is because you do not understand
that Verse 13 explains verse 12:
Php 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my
absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
george. :)
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