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Becky:
where'd steveb go??

Deedle:
banned

love_magnified:

--- Quote from: Mike ---Mal 3:3 And he shall sit [as] a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Did Christ purify the Sons of Levi? Of course He did not. They killed Him. Is Malachi therefore a heretic?
--- End quote ---


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Yes Christ did! Who are the sons of Levi if not the elect? The elect is the Israel of God and they have been purified by Christ's blood. Why must we see Malachi's prophecy according to physical Israel.

Didn't God say that he would make a royal priesthood and a special people. He was talking TO physical Jews. But who was he talking about? US. WE are a holy nation and a royal priesthood.

Daniel:
Sometimes you wonder if its not too much the case of being right or wrong always. Seems moreso how we "behave" while thinking we are either right or wrong. We can be quick to point out and wrest with a word becoming a heretic in that way and calling "the other" one not realizing this in ourselves. Like straining out a gnat in that regard but swalling a camel :lol: Overlooking the more weightier issues.

Granted those who taught concerning the "resurrection" being "past" were (in doing this) overthrowing the "faith" of some. That to which affected ones hope or faith (which worketh by love). That which spoke to their "hope" to know "Him" (who IS the Resurrection). It was to that Paul was speaking concerning something that would overthrow their faith and hope (to which we are called). We are saved by hope, being an heir of God "in this world".

Daniel

love_magnified:
In looking at both arguments it seems that there is a difference in application. Mike sees that the blasphemous Babylonians recieving the plagues are within each man. While Ray is saying that the Babylonians are in the church system alone.

What this is leading to is Mike saying, within us is the man of sin who is in many ways still part of Babylon cursing God as he recieves the plagues. It isn't that we are cursing God and refusing to repent, but that our flesh is doing that, or the sin in our flesh, the man of sin within each of us. Mike's interpretation seems more inward focused.

On the other hand Ray has a good point too. God has admonished us to come out of Babylon and NOT recieve those plagues. If Babylon is the church and we have come out of the church we should not be recieving those plagues at all. The elect do not blaspheme God.

I think a major difference has to do with the fact that Mike is speaking from a subconcious point of view, that our flesh is still part of Babylon so it is blapheming God, but Ray is coming from a more conscious point of view that blasphemy is a matter of being consciously opposed to God and consciously separated from the church.

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