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What part of this Book is not for you?
rvhill:
Pride lead before a fall. People need to understand what is important and what is less important.
Things everyone should agree on.
1.Jesus is the way and only ways.
2.Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
3.John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [ Or his only begotten Son] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
4.Luke 10:27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' [ Deut. 6:5] ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' [ Lev. 19:18] "
5. the Doctrine of Jesus as in Matthew 5 and Luke 6.
6. sovranty of God.
7.The ideals of the after life are pagan, and are not found in the Bible.
1 is first, 2 to 5 are all pretty close and 6 and 7 are father down the list. There are other things that are important, but why worry about them. No one hear has fully grasped most of 1 through 7. I don't know about you people, but I tend to not think about 6 and 7, just because 1 through 5 are so hard for me to embrace. 4 and 5 really kick my butt. I just fall so short on those two, it not even funny.
SteveB:
--- Quote ---We are all falwed vessels,
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Amen.
--- Quote ---How are we ever going to live together if we have to agree on everything?
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Its a tall order, I know. Impossible for the flesh, I know. But ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE FOR JESUS CHRIST.
Thats the Truth. I believe it.
I follow Ray or Mike, as LONG AS THEY HAVE THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST.
When the day come I see they dont have this doctrine I will no longer follow them as they follow Christ.
Christ is # 1 in my life not a man. But I love these men because Christ loves them. If one turns out to be an enemy of the cross, I''ll still love them.
I just WONT GIVE AN INCH ON HERESY. Thats what we ALL should do. That what i'm going to do.
Love...Steve
Gill:
--- Quote from: mustardseed ---Believe this shibboleth, try the spirits (1Jn. 4:1) by the word of God. If someone tells you that some of the book of Revelation is not for you...and you look in Revelation and see...
Rev 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.
...then you know what to believe. God's Word is the test.
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Hi Mustardseed,
would like to add the second verse to your 1John 4:1 ~
1Jo 4:2 in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,
Ok, on to Steve's question.
Well, well, the book of revelation ~ what bits apply to me ...that's the $64,000 question.
I have a problem with understanding how we're to 'keep' a book that is signified. I wish that there was a clearly expressed interpretation of this vision within scripture itself (i know, i know, 'i need eyes and ears to see it right?' :wink: ...maybe you are right about that). Paul forbade the use of tongues within the church unless there was an interpreter present, otherwise it was useless for edification. And now, here we have this whole book needing it :shock: :lol: .
For me, if someone tells me to 'do' or 'not' do something solely based on scriptures from revelation, then i'm afraid i can't put much stock into it. There is plenty of plainly expressed instruction within the new testament to be concerning myself with, without getting 'hung-up' upon the many different interpretations of revelation. You want to know how many different views there are on revelation? :lol:
Steve, do you believe that one has to understand this vision in its entirety and then keep/follow/apply it? (still don't quite understand how anyone uses a vision as cryptic as revelation, and with no clear interpretation within the rest of scripture, and turns it into instruction.) What if i choose to accept my ignorance on the book and not get too involved in the different views on it? Does that mean that i can't be a true disciple?
Edit: I wonder how the elect 'kept' this book before it was written :-k And did it only get sent to the churches in Asia?
Harryfeat:
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--- Quote ---We are all falwed vessels,
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Amen.
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I follow Ray or Mike, as LONG AS THEY HAVE THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST.
When the day come I see they dont have this doctrine I will no longer follow them as they follow Christ.
Love...Steve
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Hello Steve,
I don't understand what you mean when you say you "follow", do you mean you view yourself as a disciple?
I believe that Christ's doctrine is summed up fairly simply with....item number four of RVHILL's post......Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
What is your definition of the doctrine of Christ? Is it different than my opinion?
As far as Revelations goes, what is in there that is important to an understanding of the doctrine of Christ. Do we need to really understand any of it? If Revelations were not included as part of the bible, would it significantly change your search for and understanding of truth. It's a question that I have no answer to but would be interested in finding out.
I also would be wary of anyone who told me that something from scripture was "not for me"
I think your question spawned even more questions from me. I apologize for any inconvenience caused but I just have no real answers and would appreciate further understanding if possible.
thanks for raising the question.
feat
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rocky:
Here is some scripture to ponder.
Rev 3:10 `Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.
Rev 1:3 Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it--for the time is nigh!
Rev 2:11 He who is having an ear--let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: He who is overcoming may not be injured of the second death.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy from me gold fired by fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white garments that thou mayest be arrayed, and the shame of thy nakedness may not be manifest, and with eye-salve anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 `As many as I love, I do convict and chasten; be zealous, then, and reform;
Rev 12:10 And I heard a great voice saying in the heaven, `Now did come the salvation, and the power, and the reign, of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because cast down was the accuser of our brethren, who is accusing them before our God day and night;
Rev 12:11 and they did overcome him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life--unto death;
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice out of the heaven, saying, `Come forth out of her, My people, that ye may not partake with her sins, and that ye may not receive of her plagues,
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Rev 20:6 Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:15 and if any one was not found written in the scroll of the life, he was cast to the lake of the fire.
Rev 21:7 he who is overcoming shall inherit all things, and I will be to him--a God, and he shall be to me--the son,
Rev 21:8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'
Rev 22:7 Lo, I come quickly; happy is he who is keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll.'
Rev 22:12 And lo, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to render to each as his work shall be;
Rev 22:14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
Rev 22:15 and without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.
1Jo 5:4 because every one who is begotten of God doth overcome the world, and this is the victory that did overcome the world--our faith;
1Jo 5:5 who is he who is overcoming the world, if not he who is believing that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jo 3:14 we--we have known that we have passed out of the death to the life, because we love the brethren; he who is not loving the brother doth remain in the death.
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