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What part of this Book is not for you?
JJ:
People, where does patience come in? My, my....... has this modern world left us w/o that ancient fruit? Can we not just hold our
tongues and study privately, following the requests of mods, giving a bit of respect to the main characters involved and trust that it will all be
resolved or at least discussed in time. It seems way too soon to become
impatient...... if we are asked to let it drop, then just study and wait.....
it is so hard for us all as flesh to do this..... hard for me, but so good for
our character. Please!
JJ
Lightseeker:
rocky
--- Quote ---Lake of fire is now, some hurt by it, some not???
The wrath of God is now, not only in the future? The lake of fire is now, not only in the future? I see those not being hurt in the second death as happening now, and some are being hurt by the second death now. Is this how u see it?
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I do see God's wrath as being now. But this concept of the lake of fire being now, is new to me. I know that our god is a consuming fire and I know that I was baptized with the Holy Ghost and with fire. I also know that the purpose of fire is to purge/cleanse and not torture. So is that the lake of fire??? I don't know, but I'm not opposed to that idea.
parsonssc
--- Quote ---I fear that, Is Was and Will Be, is becoming a doctrine unto itself. There is truth to this very compelling and wonderful way of looking at scripture, but you can't pull every scripture out of the air and spritualize it to conform to this truth.
I see some of us here starting to do just this. I pray that we all follow in the real truths of God and not the doctrines that our human natures wish to adhere to.
Please, Please, Please do not take this a me throwing a barb at Mike because that is not my intention at all. This has nothing to do with Ray or Mike's problems, just my own observation.
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Very good word Craig.
JJ,
--- Quote ---People, where does patience come in? My, my....... has this modern world left us w/o that ancient fruit?
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JJ, you've been around long enough to know that these are the very things which produce the fruit of patience. At least in those who keep their hand on the plow. :wink:
mercie:
--- Quote from: bobbys43 --- I for one do not want to see people taking sides on way or the other and that is not what Christ would have us to do.
And the greatest commandment is to Love the Lord our God with all our heart and mind and to love our nieghbor as ourselves.
bobby
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AMEN.
Daniel:
I second MERCIE (great name by the way) :wink: Amen Bobby!
Prov 11:17 The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh.[/u]
Gen 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are "in their" habitations. :shock:
49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man :shock: and "in their selfwill" they digged down a wall.
The wrath of man "worketh not" the righteousness of God.
Gan 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for "it was fierce"; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
Psalm 71:4 Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man.[/u]
Faith worketh by love[/u]
2 Thes 3:2 "that we may be delivered from" unreasonable and wicked men: for "all men" have not faith.[/u] (which worketh by love)
Who then is wicked in this parable?
Mathew 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?[/u]
The wicked do not "understand" but continue to do wickedly. Not walking in love by showing mercy and forgiveness. Forgive us AS WE forgive others. In the parable the Heavenly Father will treat us the same if we "from our hearts" do not forgive our brother from our hearts.
Zech 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:[/u]
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.[/u]
Which was the point of the parable
Mathew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.[/u]
Lets OBTAIN :idea:
Daniel
chrissiela:
Great Post Daniel!
And bobby, too!!
HATE!! Carries with it the power of life and death.... as does the tongue (speaking evil of one another, etc) all connected, as I see it. :cry:
1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother IS A MURDERER: and ye know that no MURDERER hath eternal life abiding in him.[/list:u]
Not what we usually think of when we think of a "murderer", aye?? :shock:
Oh no, I never "killed" anybody!! 8-[ :oops:
Better to put the darkness behind us and walk as children of LIGHT:
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:[/list:u]
Blessings,
Chrissie
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