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Deborah-Leigh:
Beautiful edification Marques. Thank you.
Also, Ray expounds in the Trinity Paper the error of seeing two comings of Christ or more than one Crucifixion.
I believe this idea that there are TWO humanities can only lead down the foggy, fruitless path of error that previous false teachings have unchecked embarked upon.
Arc
daywalker:
Hey Marques,
Thanks for the clarification. I guess I could've worded my post better. I was trying to say that God was 'okay' with intermarrying, during the early developments of the human race, just that He didn't come out and give an official Commandment outlawing it until later. [at least as far as I have seen, so far, in the Scriptures... but I admit I could be proven wrong in that]
For sure, God doesn't change, and neither do His Commandments, but as I mentioned previously, when Jesus revealed a Higher Law during His Ministry. It wasn't that He was changing the Previous Laws; He was just revealing more of the Spiritual Side, which hadn't yet been revealed to mankind.
I forgot that Sarah was Abraham's sister in-law, thanks. Not that that makes it legal, I just forgot that part. 8)
- Daywalker.
Deborah-Leigh:
From http://bible-truths.com/lake11.html
"For the Law was given by Moses [that would be the OLD Covenant], but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ [that would be the NEW Covenant]" (John 1:17).
Law is good, but grace and truth is better. Grace and truth is a much more demanding and much higher calling. If you aspire to be among the "chosen" you must learn what the New Covenant really is. Here is a chart I prepared for a paper on The Law, which shows some of the many differences between the Old and the New Covenants—between Moses and Jesus:
Old Mosaic Covenant
New Spiritual Covenant
OLD Covenant…II Cor. 3:14
NEW Covenant…II Cor. 3:6
FIRST Covenant…Heb. 8:7,9:1
SECOND Covenant…Heb. 8:7,10:1-9
Came by Moses…John 1:17
Came by Christ…Heb. 8:6,9:15
Law of God in STONE…II Cor. 3:3
Law of God in HEART…Heb. 10:16
Law of MOSES…Acts 13:38-39
Law of CHRIST…Gal. 6:2
Law of the flesh…Rom. 7:5-6
Law of the SPIRIT…Rom. 8:2
NOT of faith…Gal. 3:2
Law of FAITH…Rom. 3:27
Yoke of BONDAGE…Gal. 5:1
Law of LIBERTY…James 1:25
Law of SIN…Rom. 7:5-6
Law of RIGHTEOUSNESS…Rom. 9:30-31
Law of DEATH…II Cor. 3:7
Law of LIFE…Gal. 3:11, 6:8
Christ removes OLD…Heb. 10:9
Christ enacted the NEW…Heb.10:9
A SHADOW…Col. 2:14-17
The REALITY…Heb. 10:1-18
FULFILLED…Matt. 5:17-18
NOW IN FORCE…Heb. 8:6,10:9
Priesthood CHANGED…Heb. 7:12
UNCHANGEABLE Priesthood…Heb. 7:24
MANY sacrifices…Heb. 9:12-13
ONE sacrifice for sin…Heb. 10:12
IMPERFECT…Heb. 7:19
PERFECT…Heb. 7:19
Blood of ANIMALS…Heb. 9:19
Blood of CHRIST…Matt. 26:28
Circumcision…Ex. 12:48
Uncircumcision…Rom. 4:9-12
WORKS of law…Gal. 3:10
NOT of works but GRACE…Eph. 2:8
REMEMBERS sins…Heb. 10:3
FORGETS sins…Heb. 10:17
YEARLY atonement…Heb. 10:3
PERMANENT atonement…Heb. 10:4
SINFUL priests…Heb. 5:3
SINLESS priest…Heb. 7:26
AARONIC priesthood…Heb. 7:11
MELCHISEDEC priest…Heb. 5:5-10
MANMADE tabernacle…Heb. 8:5
HEAVENLY tabernacle…Heb. 8:2,11
Out of LEVI…Heb. 7:11
Out of JUDAH…Heb. 7:14
WEAK, UNPROFITABLE…Heb. 7:18
POWER of ENDLESS LIFE…Heb. 7:16
NO inheritance…Rom. 4:13
ETERNAL inheritance…Heb. 9:15
Sacrifice of ANIMALS…Heb. 9:13
Sacrifice of CHRIST…Heb. 9:28
Purified the FLESH…Heb. 8:13
Purged the CONSCIENCE…Heb. 8:14
PRODUCES wrath…Rom. 4:15
SAVES from wrath…Rom. 5:9
Perfected NOTHING…Heb. 7:19
Perfects BELIEVERS…Heb. 10:14
NO MERCY…Heb. 10:28
COMPLETE MERCY…Heb. 8:12
NO justification…Acts 13:39
BELIEVERS justified…Acts 13:39
BRINGS a curse…Gal. 3:10
REDEEMS from curse…Acts 3:13
ABOLISHED…II Cor. 3:13
CONTINUES IN GLORY…II Cor. 3:11
Brought DEATH…II Cor. 3:7
Brought RECONCILIATION…II Cor. 5:18
ISRAEL ONLY…Deut. 4:7-8,5:3
ALL MANKIND…Mark 14:24, II Cor. 5:14-19
This chart by no means exhausts all the differences between the Old and New Covenants. Can you not see how totally different the New is from the Old? As God’s Word says, the New Covenant is, "NOT ACCORDING to the covenant that I made with their fathers…" (Heb. 8:9). When will we believe God instead of the traditions of men? I hope that you will not just look at this chart, but look up every Scripture and read it for yourself.
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musicman:
--- Quote from: Kat on April 03, 2009, 07:47:24 AM ---
And the Bible gives us record of how Jesus Christ came out of this line of Adam. Maybe this particular line is what is referred to as sons of God in early chapters of the Bible.
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I've thought about that but was afraid to ask.
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: musicman on April 03, 2009, 09:51:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kat on April 03, 2009, 07:47:24 AM ---
And the Bible gives us record of how Jesus Christ came out of this line of Adam. Maybe this particular line is what is referred to as sons of God in early chapters of the Bible.
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I've thought about that but was afraid to ask.
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That is a sad day when we are afraid to ask questions that are there to be asked. I would like to think that the question should always be asked; without fear. But when the answer is given please, at least research thoroughly, all the answers; before defending a position.
When in doubt about an answer, Prayers, research and study is recommended before engaging fingers and keyboard on the forum. Since the Nashville 2008 Conference, Ray put a huge amount of information on the table. Many of the members have some area of expertise or training in some science or historical area.
Since so much new information was covered, much of it not available even 10 to 15 years ago; even the semi trained need to be careful. If you cannot explain how the things we see are made from things we cannot see, does that mean that it does not exist (the unseen things).
Science has shown (Proven) that human like fossils as old as 50 thousand years exist. Ray has used much of what science discovered to show that science and the Scriptures are more in harmony; than most Christians and The Scriptures are.
Here are some Scriptures that are for now:
Dan 12:4 (GW)
"But you, Daniel, keep these words secret, and seal the book until the end times. Many will travel everywhere, and knowledge will grow."
Daniel 12: 1-13 (Rotherham)
1 And, at that time, will Michael, the great ruler who standeth for the sons of thy people, make a stand, and there will be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, up to that time,—and, at that time, shall thy people, be delivered, every one found written in the hook; (book) aparrent spelling error.
2 and, many of the sleepers in the dusty ground, shall awake,—these, shall be to age-abiding life, but, those, to reproach, and age-abiding abhorrence;
3 and, they who make wise, shall shine like the shining of the expanse,—and, they who bring the many to righteousness, like the stars to times age-abiding and beyond.
4 But, thou, Daniel, close up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end,—many will run to and fro, and knowledge, shall abound.
5 Then, I, Daniel, looked, and lo! two others, standing,—one on this side of the bank of the river, and one on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed with linen, who was upon the waters of the river, How long shall be the end of the wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed with linen who was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left unto the heavens, and sware by him that liveth unto times age-abiding,—For a set time and times and a half, and, when the dispersion of a part of the holy people, is brought to an end, then shall come to an end all these things.
8 And, I, heard, but could not understand,—so I said, O my lord! what shall be the issue of these things?
9 Then said he, Go thy way, Daniel; for closed up and sealed are the words, until the time of the end.
10 Many, will purify themselves and be made white and be refined, but the lawless, will act lawlessly, and none of the lawless, shall understand,—but, they who make wise, shall understand;
11 and, from the time of the taking away of the continual ascending-sacrifice , and the placing of the horrid abomination that astoundeth, shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Happy! is he that waiteth, and attaineth to one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
13 But, thou, go thy way to the end,—and thou shalt rest, and shalt rise to thy lot at the end of the days.
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