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mharrell08:
As all the fires are the same, what makes the Lake of Fire in the next age more severe (wrath, indignation, perdition)?
Excerpt from Lake of Fire #16-E (http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm):
ALL FIRES ARE THE SAME ONE "CONSUMING FIRE" OF GOD
GEHENNA FIRE IS JUDGMENT:
In Matt. 5:21-26 Jesus lists four ways in which we can be judged: [1] the Judgment, [2] the Council, [3] Gehenna fire, and [4] Prison. But hereafter in verse 29 Jesus uses Gehenna, and again in verse 30, Gehenna. And pay close attention for what sins this fire is used: "...if your right EYE offend you... if your right HAND offend you..." it must be removed, or the penalty is Gehenna fire. In Matt. 10:28 Jesus mentions again the judgment of Gehenna. In Matt. 18:9 He again uses Gehenna fire. In Matt. 23:33 Jesus warns the Pharisees of Gehenna judgment:
"Ye serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation [Gk: 'a tribunal, justice, JUDGMENT'] of Gehenna?"
And so Gehenna fire is clearly seen as a way in which Jesus Judges sinners, and specifically, the sins of the eyes, hands, and feet. Gehenna fire IS JUDGMENT. What else is Gehenna?
GEHENNA FIRE IS THE FIRE NEVER QUENCHED:
In Matt. 9:43 & 45, the Judgment for offending with our eyes, hands, and feet is again mentioned, and here we learn that the fire of this judgment "...never shall be quenched." It is not eternal fire, but it is fire that shall not be "put out" until it "burns out" all that it is designed to purge. So Gehenna fire is also the notorious "unquenchable fire." And so Gehenna fire and unquenchable fire are the same fire of JUDGMENT.
GEHENNA FIRE IS THE FURNACE OF FIRE:
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things [those] that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matt. 13:41-42).
This is the same Judgment of Gehenna fire which is used to judge all those who offend with their eyes, hands, and feet. Here ALL who offend are put into a furnace of fire which is the same as the unquenchable fire, and the Gehenna fire.
GEHENNA FIRE IS EVERLASTING [EONIAN] FIRE:
Next notice that Judgment for offending with our eyes, hands, or feet, is once again called Gehenna fire in Matt. 18:9. But back in verse 8 this Judgment for the same sin is called "everlasting [Gk: 'aionios/eonian/age-lasting] fire."
So here we have Scriptural proof that Gehenna fire, and everlasting [eonian/age-abiding] fire are one and the same fire. And so "everlasting/eonian fire" is just another term for the judgment of Gehenna.
GEHENNA FIRE/EONIAN FIRE IS THE LAKE OF FIRE:
When Jesus returns to this earth in glory with His holy angels (Matt. 25:31), He will come with great power to JUDGE (Rev. 19:11), and those who oppose Him will be thrown into "a lake of fire" (Verse 20). Satan also is cast into this "lake of fire" (Rev. 20:10), and "death and hell/hades" is cast into this "lake of fire" (Verse 14).
Now then, what fire does Jesus say he will use for His judgment on the goats and on the Devil and his messengers? It is "everlasting/eonian/age-abiding fire" (Matt. 25:41). Once more we have clear Scriptural proof that all these descriptions of fiery Judgment are the very same fire, and that Fire is GOD:
"For our God is A CONSUMING FIRE" (Heb. 12:29).
Gehenna fire is the furnace of fire, the unquenchable fire, the everlasting [Gk; eonian/age-abiding] fire, and the lake of fire, as we just saw proven by Scripture.
And this fire by five names is God's Judgment:
upon His disciples (Matt. 5:22, 29, 30)
upon the Pharisees (Matt. 23:33)
upon the chaff (Matt. 3:12)
upon the spiritual goats (Matt. 25:32 & 41)
upon trees which bear no good fruit (Matt. 7:19)
upon the spiritual tares (Matt. 13:40)
upon all the WICKED (Matt. 13:49-50)
All these five "fires" are the same one fire, and this fire is the "Consuming Fire" of God that JUDGES BOTH US AND THE WORLD. And it is clearly stated that "The lake of fire IS the second death" (Rev. 20:14 & 21:8 ). The lake of fire is JUDGMENT, and the lake of fire is the second death. Therefore: the SECOND death IS GOD'S JUDGEMENTS UPON BOTH THE WICKED AND THE ELECT!
There is to be judgment upon the wicked and judgment upon God's Elect of The House of God. And both of these groups are judged by the spiritual fire of God Almighty, "For our God IS a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29).
FIRE & JUDGMENT on God's Elect:
"That the trial of your faith [God's Elect], being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ... judgment must begin at the house of God" (I Pet. 1:7 & 4:17).
FIRE & JUDGMENT on the UNGODLY:
"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men" (II Pet. 3:7).
Revelation shows us that the "lake of fire" is where all humanity will be "judged" (Rev. 20:13), and this lake of fire is the SECOND death:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the SECOND death" (Rev. 20:14)
and
"the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND death" (Rev. 21:8 ).
Thanks,
Marques
P.S. Yes, mods have questions too... ;D :D ;D :D
arion:
This is just me and I might be totally off base but it's something I have thought about. What would it be like to see others like me who have been purified from their sins and now have immortality and serving in the Kingdom of God and yet I'm on the outside enduring the judgment of being shown my evil and wicked heart?
What will it be like to fully see how holy, just and merciful the Lord is and to be confronted with the full weight of my own depravity? How about my private sins that I thought only I knew about and now these sins done in private are shouted from the housetops?
--- Quote ---Luk 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
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How about being confronted with the truths that I have learned and yet did not apply in my life? What about all the opportunities for good that went undone? My judgement will be more strict then those still in Babylon who have heard none of these things.
--- Quote ---Luk 12:47-48 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
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These are just a few things that I have seen as I have spent some time thinking about them. I want to know too what it's going to be like for those who have to endure it. I think there is scriptural support that the judgement for each person is individual as is the trials by fire in this life. That's why I want to show mercy in this life because if I'm not one of the elect I'm going to need that mercy multiplied back to me a hundredfold.
Robin:
I was just wondering the same thing this week.
Here are some verses on mercy.
James 2:12-14 (New International Version)
12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Hebrews 10
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"and again, "The Lord will judge his people."31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
We know though that all will receive mercy.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
aqrinc:
Jesus Christ, has plainly stated (and we now understand) what is required of All who would follow in His Footsteps. That is why we must Rest In HIS SABBATH REST; and cease from working our works.
Mat 11: 28-30 (LITV)
28 Come to Me, all those laboring and being burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, because I am meek and lowly in heart, "and you will find rest to your souls." (Jer. 6:16)
30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.
There is no need to wonder what will happen, here is what Jesus Christ Has to Say about those of us who know and disobey.
Luk 12: 45-49 (CLV)
45 Now if that slave should be saying in his heart, 'My lord is delaying his coming,' and should be beginning both to beat the boys and the maids and to be eating and drinking and to be drunk,
46 the lord of that slave will be arriving on a day for which he is not hoping and at an hour which he does not know, and shall be cutting him asunder and shall be appointing his part with the unfaithful."
47 Now that slave who knows the will of his lord and does not make ready, nor yet does aught with a view to his will, shall have many lashes."
48 Now he who does not know, yet does what deserves blows, shall have few lashes. Now to everyone to whom much was given, from him much will be sought, and to whom they committed much, more excessively will they be requesting of him."
49 Fire came I to be casting on the earth, and what will I, if it were already kindled?
And here is a Scripture and witness to clarify; who is guaranteed to not be in the First Resurrection. There are no neutrals in this lifelong battle of ours, but There Is Our Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ, our Champion.
These Scriptures below, prove there is no unpardonable sin forever. (It is only in this age and the following age)
Luk 12: 8-10 (LITV)
8 But I say to you, Everyone who may confess Me before men, the Son of Man will also confess him before the angels of God.
9 But he that denies me before man shall be denied before the angels of God.
10 And everyone who shall say a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven Him; but the ones blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.
Witness
Mat 12: 30-32 (LITV)
30 The one who is not with Me is against Me, and the one who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 Because of this, I say to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men, but the blasphemy concerning the Spirit shall not be forgiven to men.
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, not in this age nor in the coming one.
george :).
Akira329:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on April 17, 2009, 08:45:17 AM ---As all the fires are the same, what makes the Lake of Fire in the next age more severe (wrath, indignation, perdition)?
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Hey Marques,
These verses come to mind when considering your question:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
His wrath is also compared to a winepress. Grapes are squeezed with great pressure, the juice is extracted but left is the pulp and seeds
The same with us!
Jesus done those things swiftly I can only say it will be the same in judgement.
Does this help?
Antaiwan
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